Idiocracy
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bustaheims
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TBLeafer said:
I wouldn't make too much out of online poll results. Trump's supporters are rabid, and quite likely flocked to every online poll they could find. In general, those polls will heavily over-represent the opinion of partisan/biased voters rather than undecided voters. Everything I've read from people who actually went out and contacted previously undecided voters strongly favoured Clinton - and, by that, I mean, 75%+ in most cases.
crazyperfectdevil
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jdh1 said:
something stupid like ..denying that he ever called global warming was a hoax, despite that the tweet of him saying just that is still up? or how about stupid like doubling down over calling a former miss universe winner fat? ....how about implying that he doesn't pay taxes and that it's smart for him not to do so?
i guess i'm not sure what the standard for "stupid" is.
bustaheims
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jdh1 said:
Clearly, we have very different definitions of stupid. Yours is probably pretty in line with Trump's, though.
bustaheims
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I'll give Trump this much - he told the best jokes last night, even if he didn't realize they were jokes.
Kin
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We won't know effect on polls of the debate for a while but a "win" for Trump aren't things remaining static. Hillary is still ahead and has a pretty significant electoral edge. He needs to use the debates to do better with college educated voters and women in particular. I'm guessing claiming that Global Warming is a hoax and doubling down on his boorish insults won't go a long way towards that.
bustaheims
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jdh1 said:
Neither are Hilary's. The debates never have much of an impact on the decided voters. It's the undecided that you hope to win over in the debates, and, based on focus groups and polls that specifically target undecided voters, he did absolutely awful.
Not losing the people who had already decided to vote for you isn't a win. It's the bare minimum. Seeing 3/4 or more of the polled undecided voters leaning towards Hillary is a pretty strong indication that the gap between him and Clinton is going to get wider over the next few weeks. His "ratings" may not have dropped yet, but, as more undecided voters turn towards Hillary - and, if the next debates play out anything like last night, that's what is going to happen - they will.
McGarnagle
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Even if Clinton wins, this election has really shown the size and scale of the divide between the disenfranchised and the status quo. I think all of us have had to hold our nose and vote for a particular candidate based upon party affiliation, but this election takes it to a new level.
If I was registered in the U.S., I'd write in "inanimate carbon rod" on the ballot and put a check next to it.
If I was registered in the U.S., I'd write in "inanimate carbon rod" on the ballot and put a check next to it.
Kin
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McGarnagle said:
I don't know if I buy that narrative. Trump is polling terribly with African American voters. Aren't they disenfranchised too? Hispanics? Hillarys way in front with young people. Do they represent a status quo?
Most looks at it I've seen show Trump voters typically making more money than typical Americans. I think there's something to be said about the resentment of blue collar white voters in industries that are probably not going to grow in the 21st century and Hillary's inability to really articulate a vision for the future that addresses that hurts her, sure, but I don't think the people voting Trump are all that different than the people who typically vote Republican.
I have to disagree with you on that. Hillary has been in and around politics for 30 years,the voters know what they are getting with her.bustaheims said:
If you believe that voters still don't know whether they are going to vote for her yet...what are they waiting for?
In my opinion the undecided are looking if they can stomach Trump or not. Thus the basis of my first post on this subject.Both candidates have made stupid comments in the past.
Howard Stern has made outrageous comments over many years.That doesn't mean people stopped listening to him.Our society has progressively excepted words that offend people...however in the presidential race this is the first time of this magnitude.
I don't like it myself but that's happening today.
hockeyfan1
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How many saw the debate: polls, results, & observations...
In a CNN poll, Americans who watched the debate sided with Clinton. Sixty-two per cent said she was the winner, while just 27 per cent named Trump.
Voters thought Clinton expressed her views ?more clearly? than Trump and had a better understanding of key issues at heart. Clinton also addressed concerns voters might have about her leading the country better than Trump did ? to the tune of 57 per cent compared to 35 per cent.
David Gergen, CNN?s expert, wondered if Clinton?s triumph holds much clout in the Republican camp.
By all traditional standards of debate, Mrs. Clinton crushed ? by constrast, he came in unprepared, had nothing fresh to say, and increasingly gave way to rants,? Gergen said.
?Even so, I doubt she has put him away ? Those who are for him are likely to stick, despite his ineffectual performance,? Gergen suggested.
He said Clinton fell short in forging an emotional bond with voters, too.
The Washington Post had Clinton at the top of its ?winners? list.
?Clinton wasn?t perfect in this debate ? but Clinton was head and shoulders better than Trump. She was, unsurprisingly, very well prepared ? using a slew of facts and figures to not only make her positive but also to slam Trump,? the Post?s analyst said.
...the Atlantic chose Clinton as its winner. Its commentators said she delivered a ?commanding performance? while Trump offered too many interruptions.
?One, from Hillary Clinton, was wonky, crisp, and polished; if not always inspiring, it was professional and careful. The other, from Donald Trump, was freewheeling, aggressive, and meandering, occasionally landing a hard blow but often substance-less and hard to follow,? its post read.
More:
http://globalnews.ca/news/2966616/trump-v-clinton-debate-who-won-here-are-what-pundits-pollsters-are-saying/
In a CNN poll, Americans who watched the debate sided with Clinton. Sixty-two per cent said she was the winner, while just 27 per cent named Trump.
Voters thought Clinton expressed her views ?more clearly? than Trump and had a better understanding of key issues at heart. Clinton also addressed concerns voters might have about her leading the country better than Trump did ? to the tune of 57 per cent compared to 35 per cent.
David Gergen, CNN?s expert, wondered if Clinton?s triumph holds much clout in the Republican camp.
By all traditional standards of debate, Mrs. Clinton crushed ? by constrast, he came in unprepared, had nothing fresh to say, and increasingly gave way to rants,? Gergen said.
?Even so, I doubt she has put him away ? Those who are for him are likely to stick, despite his ineffectual performance,? Gergen suggested.
He said Clinton fell short in forging an emotional bond with voters, too.
The Washington Post had Clinton at the top of its ?winners? list.
?Clinton wasn?t perfect in this debate ? but Clinton was head and shoulders better than Trump. She was, unsurprisingly, very well prepared ? using a slew of facts and figures to not only make her positive but also to slam Trump,? the Post?s analyst said.
...the Atlantic chose Clinton as its winner. Its commentators said she delivered a ?commanding performance? while Trump offered too many interruptions.
?One, from Hillary Clinton, was wonky, crisp, and polished; if not always inspiring, it was professional and careful. The other, from Donald Trump, was freewheeling, aggressive, and meandering, occasionally landing a hard blow but often substance-less and hard to follow,? its post read.
More:
http://globalnews.ca/news/2966616/trump-v-clinton-debate-who-won-here-are-what-pundits-pollsters-are-saying/