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Idiocracy

I can envision a scenario where Trump loses by enough that the lawsuits he?d otherwise file won?t change the outcome, and he just walks out of the Whitehouse the next day. No concession speech, no official resignation, no transfer of power. He just leaves in a huff, raging on Twitter as he boards the next flight to Russia.
 
Dappleganger said:
WAYNEINIONA said:
So which country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with the U.S. will he move to?
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Russia.
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Joe S. said:
Can anyone envision a scenario where Trump actually concedes if he loses? I can?t. I figure he won?t say anything and just leave, or put up the biggest of fights until jan.

Man November is going to suck. And I am not even American. I just want this lunatic gone.

My son was arguing with me saying that Biden is a poor candidate and I said I do not care, at this point if they put a goat wearing a hat in the White House as president it would be an improvement over this lunatic.

As flawed as Biden may be, at least he appears to have empathy and act like a normal human being. The White House can go back to the back room shenanigans and whatever deals they do, it?s better than this quasi dictator.

And many some of our American friends here can help me understand something. Why is social health care so evil? I don?t get it at all.
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At the end of the day, while the candidate matters, the President is not the Messiah. His job is to put together a solid administration for the American people and he already did that for 8 years with Obama. He can't be THAT bad a candidate.
 
Chris said:
Joe S. said:
Can anyone envision a scenario where Trump actually concedes if he loses? I can?t. I figure he won?t say anything and just leave, or put up the biggest of fights until jan.

Man November is going to suck. And I am not even American. I just want this lunatic gone.

My son was arguing with me saying that Biden is a poor candidate and I said I do not care, at this point if they put a goat wearing a hat in the White House as president it would be an improvement over this lunatic.

As flawed as Biden may be, at least he appears to have empathy and act like a normal human being. The White House can go back to the back room shenanigans and whatever deals they do, it?s better than this quasi dictator.

And many some of our American friends here can help me understand something. Why is social health care so evil? I don?t get it at all.
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Born and raised (and now living in) in NY state.

Lots of people in this country don't trust the government to run a national health care system because they see all the waste and fraud in other government programs (medicare/medicaid for example), and they hear the horror stories that come out of the V.A. Plus among about half the population there is a strange aversion to "social" anything, despite the fact that they all plan to collect their "social security" payments, they all drive on roads paid for and maintained by tax dollars, etc. There's a ton of hypocrisy in this country.

My belief is that we're going to have to go to a national healthcare system someday and may as well start now. I don't have a great deal of confidence about how it will work out, but the current system is unsustainable for most.

As for Trump, I don't see him conceding unless the results are truly a landslide. If it's close, and it probably will be in many of the battleground states, he's going to challenge everything he can. I voted for the first time in like 30 years. There hasn't been much reason to vote, since I live in NY which is so overwhelming democrat-supporting, the electoral college system makes my vote really kind of pointless. But this year, I want the margin of victory to be as large as possible.
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I know it might seem a pointless exercise based on how the politics are down there, but as a political science major, everyone should exercise their right to vote, even if in this case you're so overwhelmingly part of the majority, because it's the process and institution of voting and democracy that's important.
 
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1322160084651266048

It's too early I guess to suggest that this will help one side or another, but voter turnout is gonna be very high this year.
 
Putting aside Trump the nutcase, the thing that baffles me is why people support him - what did he actually accomplish as president that made his country better or help anyone in particular? The most common answer you get is he created a strong economy. But how? What did he do to help the economy?

This feels like arguments I used to have with rob ford supporters. I was asking what did he actually do? What has he done as mayor? And the response I got is ?what hasn?t he done?.

I feel that sums up Trump?s presidency.
 
Joe S. said:
Putting aside Trump the nutcase, the thing that baffles me is why people support him - what did he actually accomplish as president that made his country better or help anyone in particular? The most common answer you get is he created a strong economy. But how? What did he do to help the economy?
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There are a lot of people for whom the answer is simple. He's lowered taxes on wealthy people and he's added judges who will vote to overturn Roe vs. Wade. That's it. That is the sum of what they want out of Presidential politics. 

Because, as I've said elsewhere, the "economy" isn't, and never has been, a single thing that benefits all people equally. Even through the worst of the pandemic while millions lost jobs and savings and homes, if you owned a lot of stock the "economy" was pretty good for you. That's specifically related to things Trump has done like lower corporate taxes and capital gains taxes. Meaningless to most people, great for the rich.
 
Which is why it confuses me that his base of supporters do not benefit at all from all the items you just mentioned. It jus my makes my brain melt. Maybe the Supreme Court packing but even then I doubt his rural base would relate to that.
 
Joe S. said:
Which is why it confuses me that his base of supporters do not benefit at all from all the items you just mentioned. It jus my makes my brain melt. Maybe the Supreme Court packing but even then I doubt his rural base would relate to that.
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Well, we could talk forever as to how trickle down economics has been sold to poorer folk as a con but I think a lot of rural folk make up his evangelical base who do care about things like Roe vs. Wade or a complete lack of willingness to pass any sort of gun control legislation.

And then you throw in just the realities of racial resentment and the policies that flow from that and I do think it explains most of his base.
 
Nik said:
Joe S. said:
Which is why it confuses me that his base of supporters do not benefit at all from all the items you just mentioned. It jus my makes my brain melt. Maybe the Supreme Court packing but even then I doubt his rural base would relate to that.
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Well, we could talk forever as to how trickle down economics has been sold to poorer folk as a con but I think a lot of rural folk make up his evangelical base who do care about things like Roe vs. Wade or a complete lack of willingness to pass any sort of gun control legislation.

And then you throw in just the realities of racial resentment and the policies that flow from that and I do think it explains most of his base.
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Just to add to this, his tax reform had much to do with putting the US corporate tax lower to attract the investment of global companies, and also to allow corporations to repatriate earning that were in other countries at more equal tax rates to allow the money to be circulated in the US economy instead of elsewhere.  Their effective tax rate was actually higher than Canada's before the reform... it's the other way around now.
 
lol, yes. Apple is just flooding money into the US from Ireland and Cayman bank accounts are being emptied with haste.
 
Nik said:
lol, yes. Apple is just flooding money into the US from Ireland and Cayman bank accounts are being emptied with haste.
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I'm not sure about Apple, but it's more than $1 trillion in repatriated dollars since the tax redo.
 
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lol, yes. Apple is just flooding money into the US from Ireland and Cayman bank accounts are being emptied with haste.
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I'm not sure about Apple, but it's more than $1 trillion in repatriated dollars since the tax redo.
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Which is A) still about a quarter of what he claimed it would be and B) largely meaningless with interest rates as low as they are for everyone who isn't in a position to benefit from stock buy-backs which is what the money's been used on.
 
Nik said:
Joe S. said:
Which is why it confuses me that his base of supporters do not benefit at all from all the items you just mentioned. It jus my makes my brain melt. Maybe the Supreme Court packing but even then I doubt his rural base would relate to that.
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Well, we could talk forever as to how trickle down economics has been sold to poorer folk as a con but I think a lot of rural folk make up his evangelical base who do care about things like Roe vs. Wade or a complete lack of willingness to pass any sort of gun control legislation.

And then you throw in just the realities of racial resentment and the policies that flow from that and I do think it explains most of his base.
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Joe, I imagine for a lot of his base it's probably less about celebrating his achievements and more about the fear of what the scary Democrats will do to them (your point on gun control). To them, it's not about benefitting from what he's done, it's about not suffering from what could be done.
 
I just saw a clip where trump said doctors get paid more if they put Covid as the cause of death on the death certificate.

I know I should be used to these outright lies but garbage like this should be said on crazy corners of the internet, not by the freaking President.
 
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