Jagr re-signs in New Jersey
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bustaheims
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L K said:
I don't know. If he comes anywhere close to what he did for them this season, he'll absolutely provide good value for that money. At some point, his age will finish catching up to him, but, he showed no signs of that this season. The Devils are probably a great fit for him, too. They're not a team that relies on scoring off the rush. They won't have to worry about him not being as fast as skater as he used to be.
He gets roughly the same amount as Clarkson... the only difference is that Jagr scored 24 goals and 67 points... while Clarkson 5 goals and 11 points. Why we are debating this???
Lou does not like discussing the contracts before season?s end, the fact he made an exemption tells me something about how much respect Jagr has in Jersey. He almost carried them into the playoffs. Whereas our Dave... ehm. Devils are getting exactelly what they are paying for. And Jagr?s contract is apparently full of bonuses, meaning if he gets injured or something the Devils owe him considerably less, while Leafs can not even buy out Clarkson. This discussion is reallly funny.
Lou does not like discussing the contracts before season?s end, the fact he made an exemption tells me something about how much respect Jagr has in Jersey. He almost carried them into the playoffs. Whereas our Dave... ehm. Devils are getting exactelly what they are paying for. And Jagr?s contract is apparently full of bonuses, meaning if he gets injured or something the Devils owe him considerably less, while Leafs can not even buy out Clarkson. This discussion is reallly funny.
bustaheims said:
And like the original tweet says, the deal will be structured around bonuses. I'm sure they won't be too challenging to hit, but if he's a complete dud he won't get all of them.
New Jersey also probably has a decent chance of making the playoffs next season. They got pretty close this year and that's with an 0-13 shootout record. I'll bet everything I have on them not finishing with a record like that again. Schneider will also get an extra 15 or so starts which should help.
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drummond said:
Well that's a little bit like the people who responded to any criticism of Burke with saying "But he's better than JFJ". Nobody is arguing that the Leafs got good value out of Clarkson and he's not the benchmark for what is or isn't good value at his price point. I don't know what good value is at 5-6 million in an empirical sense but I think Clarkson was bad enough that you can be better than him and still not be a 5 million dollar player.
Kin
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drummond said:
Except they're not paying him for last year, they're paying him for what they think he'll do next year and the guy is 42 years old. Obviously an incentive laden deal has some protections and like I said I wouldn't bet against him at this point but questioning whether or not he can continue to produce at that pace is valid.
Kin
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drummond said:
Well, yes and no. He's producing more, yes, but that also sort of corresponds to the role and ice time he's been given with those teams and he's been noticeably least effective, I think, in situations with higher degrees of difficulty like the playoffs with Boston last year.
Regardless, age catches up to everyone. Even with someone as talented as Jagr the question is when, not if.
bustaheims
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pmrules said:
One year contracts to guys who are 35+ can include bonuses. It's sort of like insurance for the team. They only have to pay these guys full value if they're healthy and contribute.
L K
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Yeah, my comment about Jagr isn't intended to be a slam against the guy on his own, just that 43 year olds tend not to fare well. Jagr had an unbelievable year this year and if he made it to free agency, he would have been on the lower end of my list of guys to offer a contract to. I hope he replicates some of what he has done the last couple of years, but eventually speed becomes too much of an issue, even for a guy like Jagr.
I hope he has another great year. I hope he makes the playoffs and gets to score 1 more point (sitting on 199). I hope he gets the 44 points he needs to pass Ron Francis and move into 4th in all-time scoring. I hope he adds a 45th point to be the 4th player to reach 1800 points.
But 42 going on 43 is a lot of mileage on legs and the age-related drop-off can be a sudden one. And for me, I just look at New Jersey and the glaring thing that pops out at me is their lack of secondary scoring. I think bringing Jagr back was a given, I'm just surprised at the price because it might prohibit them from adding the scoring depth they need to get back to being a top team in the East next year.
The Devils are going to get a big bump in performance by having Brodeur walk though which should allow Schneider more starts, and a better backup too.
I hope he has another great year. I hope he makes the playoffs and gets to score 1 more point (sitting on 199). I hope he gets the 44 points he needs to pass Ron Francis and move into 4th in all-time scoring. I hope he adds a 45th point to be the 4th player to reach 1800 points.
But 42 going on 43 is a lot of mileage on legs and the age-related drop-off can be a sudden one. And for me, I just look at New Jersey and the glaring thing that pops out at me is their lack of secondary scoring. I think bringing Jagr back was a given, I'm just surprised at the price because it might prohibit them from adding the scoring depth they need to get back to being a top team in the East next year.
The Devils are going to get a big bump in performance by having Brodeur walk though which should allow Schneider more starts, and a better backup too.