JFJ to be next Columbus GM?
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bustaheims
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I remember when Tlusty was drafted, I looked through a few various projections of that year's draft, and some had him ranked as high as 6th. Obviously, he didn't work out quite as planned, but, as others have said, he was definitely an understandable pick.
bustaheims said:
Yeah, it wasn't a reach or anything. He was picked right around where he was supposed to go.
Kin
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The problem with all of this isn't that it's not true, but rather that it's almost always true. I mean, it's not like when Patrik Stefan or Alexandre Daigle were drafted TSN had to scramble to find video on them because nobody knew who they were.
Again, this is all in response to the original issue of whether or not JFJ drafted well. Either you're going to measure that by the subsequent performance of the players drafted or you're not. I'm fine with either approach but it can't just break that way on the successes. If we're going to judge a GM's draft performance on whether or not his picks were crazy, far-out reaches then I'd guess 99% of GM's would end up ranking the same.
Again, this is all in response to the original issue of whether or not JFJ drafted well. Either you're going to measure that by the subsequent performance of the players drafted or you're not. I'm fine with either approach but it can't just break that way on the successes. If we're going to judge a GM's draft performance on whether or not his picks were crazy, far-out reaches then I'd guess 99% of GM's would end up ranking the same.
Bullfrog
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I think if we're going to rate GM's on their draft performance we have to take multiple things. You can't just choose to rank them based on the performance of the drafted players nor the opposite. The fact that the players' ultimate success isn't fully dependent on what the GM does is evidence to that. That is, a 1st rounder's failure can't be fully pinned on a GM's lack of foresight more than the success of a 6th rounder.
In the end, I really don't know what the best way to rate a GM's draft success.
Despite what I said above, do you just rate them on the players' success knowing that logic is flawed? It's flawed because of the influence of the scouting staff, performance at physical combines, life influences, GM's own thought process, etc. But really, wouldn't that logic fall more on describing a team's drafting success? This is more fitting because it's obviously a fallacy that the GM is solely responsible for the draft success.
In the end, I really don't know what the best way to rate a GM's draft success.
Despite what I said above, do you just rate them on the players' success knowing that logic is flawed? It's flawed because of the influence of the scouting staff, performance at physical combines, life influences, GM's own thought process, etc. But really, wouldn't that logic fall more on describing a team's drafting success? This is more fitting because it's obviously a fallacy that the GM is solely responsible for the draft success.
Rebel_1812
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L K said:
I don't think you should ever draft a "two way player" in the first round. Essentially by picking a player like that you are already resigning yourself that he will be at best a 2nd line player, more then likely a 3rd line player. With your first round pick don't settle for mediocrity, go for an all-star even if they are a high risk pick. It is not hard to accquire an average player like Stajan, who is a good "two way player".
#1PilarFan
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This would be the worst mistake anyone has ever made since the Leafs originally hired JFJ as GM.
Saint Nik said:
And Tlusty was a guy who has shown a fair bit of offensive flair in the OHL/AHL. 34 points in 37 games during his only season in the OHL (and if I remember correctly he started off fairly slowly too). And 103 points in 105 games with the Marlies.
Rebel_1812
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Saint Nik said:
The point of putting it in quotes was about how people use the label. 1st line players that are good defensively usuallly don't get called "two way players". Its more the average players like Steens, and Stajans that get called it. My point is it is better to use a 1st round pick on a player that might be an all star then a "two way player" which is code for a average player.
Kin
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Rebel_1812 said:
Well, first of all, I disagree that guys like Mike Richards or Pavel Datsyuk aren't called great two way players(type in "NHL two way player" into google and the NHL names that pop up are Datsyuk, Kovalchuk and Ron Francis). More to the point, though, is that I'm pretty sure that LK wasn't using the term as such.