GhostofPotvin29
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http://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/683693024086503424
Jonathan Drouin requests trade
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So in the last few years the following Tampa players have either asked for trades or are rumoured to want out:
Martin St. Louis
Steve Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
Something's up there.
Martin St. Louis
Steve Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
Something's up there.
Also we're going to be so good next season with Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Matthews, Stamkos and Drouin.
Kin
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I think this shows some of the pitfalls in a super talented prospect getting drafted to a pretty good team. I think what happens is they expect young players to fit into the roles that they have available and expect them to do that with a degree of veteran proficiency rather than letting them figure out their game at their own pace. Then, when they struggle with it, you start hearing about "attitude problems".
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
It's tough to connect any dots though. If St. Louis wanted out because of the Olympic snub, Stamkos wants to cash-in as a UFA and Drouin....well, I'm assuming Drouin just wants to play more. You can argue that maybe they should be developing Drouin better but outside of that I don't know if it speaks to anything in particular.
Frank E
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Nik the Trik said:
It could be that a third overall pick wants more ice-time, and given all the talent on that team, he doesn't get it...and that makes him angry.
Regardless, at 20 years old with a total of 6 NHL goals, publicly requesting a trade probably lends more to LK's reported rumours.
Nik the Trik said:
Well I'd say that there's a common theme of Tampa not treating it's star (or future star) players how they want to be treated.
Kin
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Frank E said:
But that's my point. Usually players like him aren't drafted onto teams with a lot of talent and get to sort of naturally grow into 1st and 2nd line roles. In situations like this one they probably need their 1st and 2nd liners to be more complete players if they want to have the season they probably aimed for. So that creates an understandable clash.
And, as we've seen in recent years in Boston, when teams run into these sorts of issues with young players "attitude problems" seems like a convenient shorthand for teams who don't know how to manage the issue.
Nik the Trik said:
Well that's assuming that Stamkos' only issue with Tampa right now is money. And all the speculation out there right now says that it isn't. If anything the major sticking point in the media has been about the coach.
As for St. Louis' snub, yeah I would say that a player thinking the GM of his own team thinking that his GM snubbed him like that would fall into that category.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Babs sums up my reaction to this.
https://gfycat.com/FickleOpulentHapuka
Unfortunately the Leafs aren't likely in a spot to give up the kind of assets Tampa would be looking for in return.
Unless they're interested in an air tight pinky promise that the Leafs won't go after Stamkos. 8)
https://gfycat.com/FickleOpulentHapuka
Unfortunately the Leafs aren't likely in a spot to give up the kind of assets Tampa would be looking for in return.
Unless they're interested in an air tight pinky promise that the Leafs won't go after Stamkos. 8)
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, sorry, I had 2 different sentences in my head going at the same time there. St. Louis thought he should have been on Team Canada. St. Louis thought his own GM would have felt the same way. St. Louis was upset with how his GM treated him in snubbing him.
After that two other star or future star players clashed with a coach that the same GM committed to. That clash will likely lead to both of those players leaving the team.
GhostofPotvin29
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The Turris trade and perhaps the Niedereiter trade are possible comparables.
Potvin29 said:
Niedereiter was traded for Cal Clutterbuck and a 3rd rounder. At the time I remember most people thinking that the Islanders lost that trade. Kyle Turris was traded for David Rundblad and a 2nd rounder. Rundblad was 2 years away from being a mid-1st rounder. I think the consensus was that was a pretty even trade.
Kapanen and a 2nd could be a decent comparable to that. Although if the Leafs decide to consider trading JVR that would probably do it.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Potvin29 said:
I think his value is probably still a good bit higher than that of either of the guys you mentioned when they were traded.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
Right. I think we'd agree that those are the nuts and bolts of what happened. In order, though, to make the argument that what Yzerman did was wrong there I think you'd need to believe one of the following:
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1. Yzerman thought St. Louis did deserve to be on Team Canada but didn't select him just to antagonize him.
2. Yzerman was simply wrong about St. Louis not being deserving of the selection
3. Yzerman, regardless of his responsibilities to Hockey Canada should have chosen St. Louis whether he was worthy or not to placate him.
4. Yzerman should have done a better job in communicating his decision to St. Louis.
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The only one I think is particularly credible is #4 and even then it's tough to criticize how Yzerman communicated his decision without knowing how he did. I don't know if I can make the leap from "St. Louis was upset" straight to "So therefore Yzerman messed up". St. Louis might just be being a jerk.