Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up

[caver]

Hey guys I read on twitter the Staal's all want to come to Toronto to be closer to their summer homes.

True story: I just got 4 cubic yards of soil delivered to my home from Staal's Sod and Soil farm. The delivery driver had a TML cap.

I'm not saying this means anything, but.......

Finally... we get the dirt on the Staal trade....    ;D

 

[Britishbulldog]

Hey guys I read on twitter the Staal's all want to come to Toronto to be closer to their summer homes.

True story: I just got 4 cubic yards of soil delivered to my home from Staal's Sod and Soil farm. The delivery driver had a TML cap.

I'm not saying this means anything, but.......

Finally... we get the dirt on the Staal trade....    ;D

Boooo.....

...I love it. 

 

[AvroArrow]

I really hope he's looking to be a first line center....  As much as I've never been a big JStaal guy, I'd welcome him here in open arms.

I was skeptical about his 1st line potential before as well, but after seeing him this season, I think that if he has that burning desire to be the guy, that he can pull it off. In Carolina, he'd only be the second guy.

Even if he tops out as a second line centre, I'd much rather have two 2nd line centres than what we've had the last several years.

 

[Peter D.]

I really hope he's looking to be a first line center....  As much as I've never been a big JStaal guy, I'd welcome him here in open arms.

I'm of this line of thought as well. He may represent our best option of obtaining a 1st line centre (even though I don't think of him as a true #1; but also believe he could grow into it).

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

 

[TML fan]

Maybe he wants to play with Mark in New York?

 

[Champ Kind]

I really hope he's looking to be a first line center....  As much as I've never been a big JStaal guy, I'd welcome him here in open arms.

I'm of this line of thought as well. He may represent our best option of obtaining a 1st line centre (even though I don't think of him as a true #1; but also believe he could grow into it).

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

Shoot, while we're at it, bring Eric here, too.  ;D

 

[50 Mission Cap]

I really hope he's looking to be a first line center....  As much as I've never been a big JStaal guy, I'd welcome him here in open arms.

I'm of this line of thought as well. He may represent our best option of obtaining a 1st line centre (even though I don't think of him as a true #1; but also believe he could grow into it).

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

Shoot, while we're at it, bring Eric here, too.  ;D

Seeing as how he turned down a 10 year extension with Pitts I doubt he'll sign an extension with anyone. He's earned the right to test free agency and I think he intends on doing just that. I will say if he's let it be known that he won't sign an extention then that can only hurt his value a bit. It's a huge risk for a team to offer up premium prospects or picks for a guy that may only play one season for them.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

That's not the impression I get from what happened yesterday. He turned down $60M from Pittsburgh and his agent came out and said he's not interested in signing an extension "at this time." He may change his mind down the road, but, I wouldn't bank on it. I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets with that massive unknown sitting out there.

 

[Champ Kind]

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

That's not the impression I get from what happened yesterday. He turned down $60M from Pittsburgh and his agent came out and said he's not interested in signing an extension "at this time." He may change his mind down the road, but, I wouldn't bank on it. I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets with that massive unknown sitting out there.

I'm sure these sorts of things happen all the time (contractual discussions, that is).  Why do you suppose this rather insignificant event made its way to MacKenzie and then out to the world?

 

[Frank E]

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

That's not the impression I get from what happened yesterday. He turned down $60M from Pittsburgh and his agent came out and said he's not interested in signing an extension "at this time." He may change his mind down the road, but, I wouldn't bank on it. I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets with that massive unknown sitting out there.

If indeed Staal has suggested that he wants to go the UFA route, big if, then I would imagine he has more value to Pittsburgh than to another team right now.  It would seem to me that he'll be working his tail off for a big UFA deal, and Pittsburgh has what it takes to take another run at the cup with him on the team. 

 

[bustaheims]

I'm sure these sorts of things happen all the time (contractual discussions, that is).  Why do you suppose this rather insignificant event made its way to MacKenzie and then out to the world?

It's not so insignificant. It's a high profile player, a significant extension that was flat out turned down and his agent publicly announced that he wasn't interested in signing an extension. That's a pretty big deal at this time of the year. It puts big name pretty squarely on the trade market.

 

[Kin]

If indeed Staal has suggested that he wants to go the UFA route, big if, then I would imagine he has more value to Pittsburgh than to another team right now.  It would seem to me that he'll be working his tail off for a big UFA deal, and Pittsburgh has what it takes to take another run at the cup with him on the team.

Except the argument with Staal has always been that his position on the Penguins kind of hampers his ability to put up the kind of year that would result in a huge contract. I'm sure he'll be motivated to play well but if he's a #3 centre and puts up 45-50 points I wonder how well he'll do as a UFA.

 

[Kin]

It's not so insignificant. It's a high profile player, a significant extension that was flat out turned down and his agent publicly announced that he wasn't interested in signing an extension. That's a pretty big deal at this time of the year. It puts big name pretty squarely on the trade market.

The thing that jumped out to me about the story is the reported number of the extension Pittsburgh offered. Both it's term and it's AAV strike me as sort of an admission by the Penguins that they think he's a better player than their depth allows him to be and also that Staal, if he does hit the UFA market, is intent on either signing a massive deal or has somewhere very specfic in mind in terms of where he wants to play.

Either way, I would not be confident about being able to work out an extension.

 

[sneakyray]

If indeed Staal has suggested that he wants to go the UFA route, big if, then I would imagine he has more value to Pittsburgh than to another team right now.  It would seem to me that he'll be working his tail off for a big UFA deal, and Pittsburgh has what it takes to take another run at the cup with him on the team.

Except the argument with Staal has always been that his position on the Penguins kind of hampers his ability to put up the kind of year that would result in a huge contract. I'm sure he'll be motivated to play well but if he's a #3 centre and puts up 45-50 points I wonder how well he'll do as a UFA.

somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

 

[Kin]

somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

If he's turning down 10 years and 60 million dollars because it's not enough then I sincerely doubt anyone's going to step up to that plate.

 

[Zee]

somebody will pay him...just think of ville leino.

If he's turning down 10 years and 60 million dollars because it's not enough then I sincerely doubt anyone's going to step up to that plate.

Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

 

[bustaheims]

Especially not Burke and his "I don't do long contracts" spiel.

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

 

[Peter D.]

I don't think a contract extension would be difficult to hammer out with him if he were here. Only thing I see getting in the way is him desiring to play with Eric in Carolina.

That's not the impression I get from what happened yesterday. He turned down $60M from Pittsburgh and his agent came out and said he's not interested in signing an extension "at this time." He may change his mind down the road, but, I wouldn't bank on it. I certainly wouldn't give up significant assets with that massive unknown sitting out there.

I didn't catch wind of the dollar amount.  An average of $6M a year over 10 years?  For Jordan Staal?  That seems to me more of him wanting to get out due to being no more than a 3rd liner in the the shadow of Crosby and Malkin than it is about money.

If put in the right position to succeed (behind his bro in Carolina, 1st line in Toronto), I do believe he'd be more inclined to sign an extension.  I'd be shocked if he hit free agency and actually got more than $6M per, let alone over the term that Pittsburgh offered him.  Completely shocked to be honest. 

 

[Kin]

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

So...all of them?

 

[Zee]

I think Burke has loosened his stance there - he's pretty much admitted he'll have to in order to compete in the UFA market in the future. He just won't sign a deal that he feels includes any cap related shenanigans.

So...all of them?

Yeah I'll believe it when I see it.  The day Burke signs a contract >7 years I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about him.