Kessel Run
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Great, short on centres for long periods of time, one comes back and TRADE.
Keep Kadri and Holland. See what they can become.
Keep Kadri and Holland. See what they can become.
Kadri v.s. Holland
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I think expectations for Raymond might be a bit high. He's on pace for over 50 points, and that probably won't actually happen. He's always been a bit of an inconsistent scorer, and while we still got a steal on him there's obviously some sort of reason he lasted so long out there.
As for Lupul, I wonder how much switching back to the right side is effecting him. A bit issue he had with Carlyle in Anaheim was that Randy never tried him on the left side and so he was stuck behind Perry and Selanne on the depth chart. When he was traded to Toronto of course he moved to the left wing and it rejuvenated his career. Up until recently Carlyle has kept him there, but when both Kulemin and Clarkson (two right-wingers) were put on the 3rd line it left Lupul and Raymond (both left-wingers) to play on the 2nd line. Carlye opted to move Lupul to the right side instead of Raymond likely because of his familiarity there. But maybe he plays better on the left wing?
I'd switch Raymond and Kulemin in the line-up. Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was a line that success last season and looked good in brief stints this season and it moves Lupul back to the left wing. It also bumps Raymond down to a position where his expectations can be a little move realistic.
bustaheims
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I don't love the idea of trading Kadri, but, it really depends on the return. If he's moved for a player of similar age and talent level, but with a different skill set/style, that's probably not the end of the world, or if he's packaged with someone for a significant upgrade down the middle that is also of similar age, that'll be alright, too. It's he's moved for futures or for less talented players - which seems like the likely result - it will be a move the team will likely live to regret.
maplesyrup
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pmrules said:
No idea. Maybe we'll find out on the next 24/7?
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Missed this before. Kane would certainly add some grit and goalscoring, not sure about the cap implications with Stastny, also would like to keep Bolland barring a really good offer at the deadline, which of course would mean more dough against the cap.
If this is more a 'next year' lineup, I'd be eyeballing Holland in Raymonds spot too ( with Bolland ), have the depth for when the inevitable happens with injuries.
An interesting point, if Callahan is available for no talent cost that might leave Kadri in a package for a good defenseman... although that's kind of backwards predicting and not likely what they'll do but it would leave Lupul to play on the left side.
Anywho, I don't think Kadri's going anywhere soon.
lamajama said:
I was thinking the same thing myself. Always wanting things right away, not willing to be patient to see the development process through...Kadri's not even in his prime yet & your thinking about dealing the kid because he had one bad month with Kessel? Give me a break. The funny thing about this stuff is that it's not like they have to make a choice on Kadri or Holland. Holland should be playing more than McClement because Jay has no business being in a more offensive role. Bolland(who during his injury has become the reincarnation of Gretzky) isn't going to be back any time soon.
Same thing goes for Gardiner. Instead of trying to deal the kid, they should be making him hit the gym so he can be a more effective defender.
Highlander
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Just put amazin Nazim on the 3rd line and let Holland shine on the 2nd.
Champ Kind
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I think that given the history and context of Kadri and the Leafs - the up and downs (literally) of his first few years, Dallas Eakins body fat public announcements, etc. - it really should not come as a surprise that Kadri may be dealt. I think management has had an issue with him basically from the start.
And, look, if Kadri gets dealt, it will be a Schenn - JVR type of deal. I also think that Reimer and or Gardiner may be included as well, with God-willing a true #1 centre the return. Myself, I am not as down on the Leafs managers as others are and feel pretty confident that, if a deal gets done, it really will improve the team.
And, look, if Kadri gets dealt, it will be a Schenn - JVR type of deal. I also think that Reimer and or Gardiner may be included as well, with God-willing a true #1 centre the return. Myself, I am not as down on the Leafs managers as others are and feel pretty confident that, if a deal gets done, it really will improve the team.
2badknees
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
I think you're right. I remember Burke's almost reluctantly drafting him because he couldn't trade up, and it seemed the whole organization wasn't happy with what they had from that point. Of course, its just perception, as we're not in the room/situation to really know, but he does seem to get called out more often than most players. His attitude also does seem to be referenced more often than most as well.
I've decided that its best that we trade him for Florida's first round pick, and use the cap space to sign Komorov. This GM stuff is easy.
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2badknees said:
Well, if Garth Snow can do it...
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Tigger said:
No question, but there is a point where you either fish or cut bait. Without question, Kadri has value, especially after last season. Whether the Leafs can maximise it remains to be seen, of course.
Kadri, hmmm, 11 games ago, he was going to replace Bozak as the first line center. He had 2 good games IMO. Holland is a good young 3 line center maybe, he has talent but still has lots to prove. IMO again they both still have growing up to do with reguards to hockey, they need to be better two way players. I would rather keep both of them as I think they have a bright future with the team in a few years. If one or both get traded, it had better help the team. Just saying
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Jalili
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Tigger said:
I think it is them trying to mold him, rather than not wanting him from the start.
But of all the things that the organization has said about him, you would think he's the most maligned player out there. That kind of stuff doesn't come from nowhere, and leads me to suspect that there has been some out of sight issues that have gone in with him.
But really, he just seems like the kind of guy who needs a kick in the butt every once in a while. Some people need that "tough love" kind of discipline.
moon111
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Leafs head coach Randy Carlyle?s system in the defensive zone, Fraser says, is almost a replica of the one he learned in his rookie year under legendary coach Jacques Lemaire. source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/maple-leafs-defensive-scheme-devilish-in-design/article8652308/
Perhaps Kadri is not fitting the system the team is looking for. People are saying Kadri has greater offense. So did Grabovski. You play the new system or you're out. Grabs said he was played 'wrong' basicly. And he's right, and in the end he ended up not being the right player for the right system. Thinking Kadri might be a square peg in a round hole.
Perhaps Kadri is not fitting the system the team is looking for. People are saying Kadri has greater offense. So did Grabovski. You play the new system or you're out. Grabs said he was played 'wrong' basicly. And he's right, and in the end he ended up not being the right player for the right system. Thinking Kadri might be a square peg in a round hole.