Komarov in deep do-do with the law in Finland

[Bates]

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

If Canada was really serious about speed limits and safety vs revenue why would there even be a production car available that goes over 120 kph as that is highest speed limit in Canada?

Well, A) those cars aren't produced speed limits in mind. Their engines are made for racing. And, B) they're produced because there is a market for them, not necessarily a use for them. They're a status symbol. The overwhelming majority of the cars on the road can't go that fast safely.

 

[bustaheims]

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

Well, no, there is no single piece of legislation that would solve any sort of speeding problem. No matter what, there will always be safety risks. The best thing they can do is balance the two. Maybe they should look at increasing the speed limit in some areas of the highway, but considering the weather conditions a large portion of the country faces for significant portions of the year, there probably isn't much big picture benefit in changing it on a wide scale.

Also, there are definitely cars that can't do over 120 kph safely. Smart cars and such can't. Even some smaller sedans start to feel significantly less secure at that speed.

 

[Bates]

I said safely or not in regards to production cars.  One single legislation could stop the production and sale of any car that is capable of speed above 120 kph.  If speed limit is a safety thing purely and not revenue why not make this law??  We have for automatic weapons and clip size, why not for car speed?  We all know speed is not really the problem many would like to make it and speed limits come with a revenue that authority would not like to see go away.

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

Well, no, there is no single piece of legislation that would solve any sort of speeding problem. No matter what, there will always be safety risks. The best thing they can do is balance the two. Maybe they should look at increasing the speed limit in some areas of the highway, but considering the weather conditions a large portion of the country faces for significant portions of the year, there probably isn't much big picture benefit in changing it on a wide scale.

Also, there are definitely cars that can't do over 120 kph safely. Smart cars and such can't. Even some smaller sedans start to feel significantly less secure at that speed.

 

[Bullfrog]

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

That doesn't help for the majority of roads that have less than 110 kph speed limits.

 

[Bates]

So solving the safety factor of speeding on some roads is just a waste of time??

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

That doesn't help for the majority of roads that have less than 110 kph speed limits.

 

[Bates]

I would actually never want to see such a silly thing done but present the idea of "safety" from speed limits as just what it is, silly.  Accidents are rarely caused by speeding and mostly by other factors such as distracted driving, poor driving, lane changing, poor passing, and on and on.  Speeding just makes an easy target and revenue grab.

 

[bustaheims]

I said safely or not in regards to production cars.  One single legislation could stop the production and sale of any car that is capable of speed above 120 kph.  If speed limit is a safety thing purely and not revenue why not make this law??  We have for automatic weapons and clip size, why not for car speed?  We all know speed is not really the problem many would like to make it and speed limits come with a revenue that authority would not like to see go away.

Well, if the rest of the world didn't follow suit, that would basically mean car companies would have to make completely specialized models for Canada, and, well, we're just not a big enough market for that to be profitable for them. So, basically, it would mean only things like Smart cars would be be available for sale here.

 

[Bates]

Most cars manufactured these days have some sort of governor installed on them already, just make the governor kick in at 120 kph.  Those that don't have them, make it a requirement.  We have done it with daytime driving lights despite our neighbours to the south not doing it.

I said safely or not in regards to production cars.  One single legislation could stop the production and sale of any car that is capable of speed above 120 kph.  If speed limit is a safety thing purely and not revenue why not make this law??  We have for automatic weapons and clip size, why not for car speed?  We all know speed is not really the problem many would like to make it and speed limits come with a revenue that authority would not like to see go away.

Well, if the rest of the world didn't follow suit, that would basically mean car companies would have to make completely specialized models for Canada, and, well, we're just not a big enough market for that to be profitable for them. So, basically, it would mean only things like Smart cars would be be available for sale here.

 

[Bullfrog]

So solving the safety factor of speeding on some roads is just a waste of time??

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

That doesn't help for the majority of roads that have less than 110 kph speed limits.

That's what you took away from what I wrote?

 

[Bates]

I took it to mean "why bother as most roads have significantly lower speed limits"  translated to why bother if it can't help everywhere.  If 120 kph is a speed that is deemed unsafe for every highway in the Country, them why not make it illegal to build a car capable of going above that speed?  I don't think anyone can give me a logical reason except it's it the benefit of Govt revenue. 

So solving the safety factor of speeding on some roads is just a waste of time??

There are probably no cars presently manufactured that can't go over 120 kph safely or not.  Why are you allowed to produce a vehicle that is able to be used above a limit than is supposed to be based on safety?  Would we not completely solve the highway speeding safety problem with one piece of legislation, OR is it better to accept some risk with rewards of revenue??

That doesn't help for the majority of roads that have less than 110 kph speed limits.

That's what you took away from what I wrote?

 

[Kin]

I like your "Nik knows everything schtick" but if you think the same requirements are on a semi auto gun as a speed limit on a car then we have no direction to head with this argument.  Try buying an AK-47 off the corner dealer and tell me it's the same process as buying a Ferrari

I really genuinely have no idea what you think you're getting at here but I didn't say anything about semi-automatic or, in the case of a Kalishnikov, a full automatic guns. This applies to all guns, including the ones you can buy legally. Whether it's an old revolver or the shotgun I have up at my cottage, I'm not allowed to do whatever I please with the guns I own. There are still laws regulating their safe use.

Outlawing the ownership of something that I can easily choose to use safely isn't really the proper domain of government. Having laws ensuring that I do use those things safely is. So if someone wants to own a Porsche or Lamborghini and race it around a closed track, they're allowed to much like I'm allowed to take a gun to a firing range and shoot at targets. I'm not, however, allowed to celebrate a Blue Jays homerun by firing a couple rounds into the air and people aren't allowed to drive 150 mph on public roads.

That's really not "Nik knows everything" that's really just "Nik has a rudimentary understanding of the law".

 

[rdowdall]

Most cars manufactured these days have some sort of governor installed on them already, just make the governor kick in at 120 kph.  Those that don't have them, make it a requirement.  We have done it with daytime driving lights despite our neighbours to the south not doing it.

I said safely or not in regards to production cars.  One single legislation could stop the production and sale of any car that is capable of speed above 120 kph.  If speed limit is a safety thing purely and not revenue why not make this law??  We have for automatic weapons and clip size, why not for car speed?  We all know speed is not really the problem many would like to make it and speed limits come with a revenue that authority would not like to see go away.

Well, if the rest of the world didn't follow suit, that would basically mean car companies would have to make completely specialized models for Canada, and, well, we're just not a big enough market for that to be profitable for them. So, basically, it would mean only things like Smart cars would be be available for sale here.

You've heard of prohibition right?  Do you think all fines are just a way for the government to make money?  What should be the recourse other than fines then?  What is the detriment?  Jail time for everyone no matter what you do?  Or would you like to go a more draconian route and cut off a hand if you are caught stealing etc?

We need to have a rules within our society, and if those rules are broken then a punishment most occur.  What is the punishment other than fines?

 

[Bates]

The sale and ownership of many types of guns are restricted and in some cases outlawed.  Why are there no such restrictions on vehicles?  You compared cars to guns and there really is nothing to compare.  What's next a comparison to knives, some of those are also restricted.  Why are there no speed restrictions on vehicle production speeds is safety is the goal and speed is the enemy??  Why can I buy a car of motorcycle capable of speeds over 300 kph??

I like your "Nik knows everything schtick" but if you think the same requirements are on a semi auto gun as a speed limit on a car then we have no direction to head with this argument.  Try buying an AK-47 off the corner dealer and tell me it's the same process as buying a Ferrari

I really genuinely have no idea what you think you're getting at here but I didn't say anything about semi-automatic or, in the case of a Kalishnikov, a full automatic guns. This applies to all guns, including the ones you can buy legally. Whether it's an old revolver or the shotgun I have up at my cottage, I'm not allowed to do whatever I please with the guns I own. There are still laws regulating their safe use.

Outlawing the ownership of something that I can easily choose to use safely isn't really the proper domain of government. Having laws ensuring that I do use those things safely is. So if someone wants to own a Porsche or Lamborghini and race it around a closed track, they're allowed to much like I'm allowed to take a gun to a firing range and shoot at targets. I'm not, however, allowed to celebrate a Blue Jays homerun by firing a couple rounds into the air and people aren't allowed to drive 150 mph on public roads.

That's really not "Nik knows everything" that's really just "Nik has a rudimentary understanding of the law".

 

[Bates]

I think the fine system is just fine without any correspondence to income.  And I think speed limits should reflect the increased safety of vehicle production as well as what speed most people actually drive on each roadway.  It's safer driving when most cars travel at same speed thus reducing congestion and passing.  I have an issue with police who play a part in setting artificially low speed limits on some highways and then camp out there shooting fish in a barrel in the name of safety while generating huge revenue.  And I don't think we need to produce or sell any vehicles capable of speeds over 150 kph.

Most cars manufactured these days have some sort of governor installed on them already, just make the governor kick in at 120 kph.  Those that don't have them, make it a requirement.  We have done it with daytime driving lights despite our neighbours to the south not doing it.

I said safely or not in regards to production cars.  One single legislation could stop the production and sale of any car that is capable of speed above 120 kph.  If speed limit is a safety thing purely and not revenue why not make this law??  We have for automatic weapons and clip size, why not for car speed?  We all know speed is not really the problem many would like to make it and speed limits come with a revenue that authority would not like to see go away.

Well, if the rest of the world didn't follow suit, that would basically mean car companies would have to make completely specialized models for Canada, and, well, we're just not a big enough market for that to be profitable for them. So, basically, it would mean only things like Smart cars would be be available for sale here.

You've heard of prohibition right?  Do you think all fines are just a way for the government to make money?  What should be the recourse other than fines then?  What is the detriment?  Jail time for everyone no matter what you do?  Or would you like to go a more draconian route and cut off a hand if you are caught stealing etc?

We need to have a rules within our society, and if those rules are broken then a punishment most occur.  What is the punishment other than fines?

 

[Kin]

The sale and ownership of many types of guns are restricted and in some cases outlawed.  Why are there no such restrictions on vehicles?

There are. There are lots of cars that aren't road-legal. You're not allowed to buy an open wheel Indy Racer and drive it on the QEW.

 

[Bates]

Great comparison and another perfect example of Nik knows all.

The sale and ownership of many types of guns are restricted and in some cases outlawed.  Why are there no such restrictions on vehicles?

There are. There are lots of cars that aren't road-legal. You're not allowed to buy an open wheel Indy Racer and drive it on the QEW.

 

[Kin]

Great comparison and another perfect example of Nik knows all.

Well, Nik knows what an analogy is anyway.

 

[louisstamos]

So, about that Komarov...

 

[Bates]

Going to jail for murdering the speed limit and lying about his income. 

So, about that Komarov...

 

[KW Sluggo]

He's facing charges where a person gives authorities false information about their income and their wealth to avoid heavy fines.  A speeding ticket in Finland is based on how much you made.  A millionaire was fined $57,000 fine for going 15 mph over.


http://thefourthperiod.com/news/tor150702.html

If so, then why the hell would anyone who makes over $30,000 a year drive anywhere?

I would rather suck farts out of a dead chicken than run that risk.