OldTimeHockey
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As a UFA.....next year.
Komarov - Leafs Most Interesting Man
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Chev-boyar-sky
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Tigger said:
They didn't because he sucks.
bustaheims
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Tigger said:
They did, but, next summer, he'll be 27, so, he'll be a UFA.
Leafaholic99
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RedLeaf said:
Doesn't seem like it, he said negotiations with the Lefs didn't go good at all , which is why he went to the KHL this summer.
Boston Leaf
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I loved Leo but he is delusional if he thinks he is due a big raise
Champ Kind
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Boston Leaf said:
Agree whole heartedly. I like the player, but seems he's putting the cart way before the horse with the expectation that, somehow, the Leafs are so far out of touch with his demands. Komarov is a better player, but I think he should be approaching contract negotiations more like Frazer McLaren and less like Nazem Kadri.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Bender said:
^^^^^
This. I thought he was a good 4th line-type player at say 800K per year. Good at hitting, decent defensively, not much offence.
He's a less talented (and more classy) Matt Cooke. Cooke was making 1.2 per at the age of 30, so Leo is max worth 1M.
I think for his skill set, you'll be able to find a suitable replacement pretty much every Summer.
Maybe playing with Malkin (or was it Ovechkin?) went to his head.
Champ Kind
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Nik the Trik said:
So, if it's not all that outlandish, is it at least somewhat outlandish?
But seriously, you're making a relatively apples to oranges comparison here. One would have to accept that while they may be similar players as far as skill set, Boyd Gordon has played rather consistently for the better part of 8 years. We can argue the degree to which Gordon was overpaid, but at this stage I don't think he is a reasonable comparitor for Komarov.
Kin
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Well, I suppose its outlandishness would depend on what we mean by a "big" raise.
Anyways, I think the mistake you're making is that you're looking at the artificial way that the NHL salary structure gets set and confusing it for real value. Like, the concept that Komarov is a RFA and so the Leafs have this level of leverage where they can say that they won't pay him market value because he's "unproven" is only a result of the CBA rules that create the concept of a RFA. In a case where the NHL has a competitor like the KHL who can make offers to players regardless of RFA/UFA status then players are going to be paid according to what their actual market value is.
Because Komarov has the KHL experience he does his "value" to a KHL team is going to be based, in part, on what he did in the KHL. So if Komarov was being offered, and I'll just invent these numbers for the sake of discussion, around 1.5 by the KHL then expecting the Leafs to match that to keep him isn't outlandish, it's a guy looking to get paid what he can. It's understandable if the Leafs don't want to pay that but if you've got two people looking to hire you and one offers you a certain amount, it's not crazy to go to the other and expect something similar.
Champ Kind
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Nik the Trik said:
Right, I'm with you. ANd, in effect, this is what Komarov did - he took his KHL payday. But, now, ther eis an article saying he wants to return to the NHL. Which, to me, a) smacks of poor, fly-by-night form and b) seems to be leveraging for the sake of leveraging.
Look, here's a guy who admittedly played well his first year and then said he was returning to the KHL for personal (re: financial) reasons. Fine, good on you, Leo. But then, not two months later, say that you fully intend on returning to the NHL but not with the Leafs because they've less than embraced your contractual expectations seems like a pretty poor way to go about conducting business. I mean, MOST players would say, "Well, ok, I'll play for one more year and then I'm off to greener NHL pastures". I don't appreciate the power play he seems to have concocted here.
I mean, good on Leo, get paid. But this whole thing seems like an awful lot of noise for what amounts to a 'meh' player.
Kin
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Well, a couple of things there. One, and I'm assuming you're referring to the article quoted in this thread above, it's important to note that it's from an interview translated from Russian so I don't know how literal one wants to read it:
I mean, it reads like broken English so I don't know that reading that he "fully intends" on going back or that he's completely ruled out the Maple Leafs in what's actually there is warranted because I don't speak Russian.
That aside though I was just specifically responding to the idea that him expecting a big raise was unwarranted or delusional or however it might be put. I don't think he concocted a "power-play" beyond just taking his career on a year by year basis and being open to the idea of playing in the KHL but whatever personal judgments you want to make about him as a result are up to you. I'm just saying that I think he had a case for looking for what he was.
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Jalili
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It sucks because we lost a guy with a really solid motor.
Reading some of the comments here, I would disagree that he's someone we can go out and replace in any given year. Really useful player... would prefer him in the lineup to one of those two fighters on the 4th line.
But I also think given his track record, which was 48 reg. season and 7 playoff games, he wasn't being reasonable. 3rd/4th line guys who get paid in the the $2M range pay their dues before they get a raise.
Reading some of the comments here, I would disagree that he's someone we can go out and replace in any given year. Really useful player... would prefer him in the lineup to one of those two fighters on the 4th line.
But I also think given his track record, which was 48 reg. season and 7 playoff games, he wasn't being reasonable. 3rd/4th line guys who get paid in the the $2M range pay their dues before they get a raise.
Kin
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Snoop Lion said:
Well, as I said above though, expecting the byzantine workings of the NHL's CBA to inform how every international player in the world looks at their value doesn't really work. I mean, we may look at the KHL as a minor league but Komarov did play there for five seasons and that is part of his track record.
I mean, if you look at soccer for instance. If a guy is a superstar in, say, the Brazilian league the big European clubs will look at that as a part of his track record or resume when it comes time to evaluating what they want to pay him/for him. Komarov is 26, remember, so while it's fair for the Leafs to handicap what his years of service in the KHL mean, it's just as fair for Komarov to think they mean something.