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Kraken @ Maple Leafs - Jan. 5th, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
azzurri63 said:
Zee said:
azzurri63 said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
5-1. Jiminy.  Murray is having a terrible game.

Other thing that we haven't done last few years is actually draft a goalie that's highly rated. Completely ignored it. Woll isn't the answer, Scott is done. McKay hasn't looked great this year but could be indicative of team in front of him but Dubas has never addressed it. Either trade for a bonafide #1 or use a high draft to select someone. Definitely had years to do it unfortunately we keep trading away number 1 picks for scraps.

How do you know Woll isn't the answer?

Just my opinion but from what I've seen of him in the NHL I'm not getting too excited. Hopefully the kid is the answer. Time will tell. Been 6+ years since we drafted him. If he was the answer he'd be playing.

I don't follow our prospects the way some here do but Hildeby seems intriguing.

I'm hoping he might be the answer down the road. Love to see a young stud goalie in our lineup for many years.
 
bustaheims said:
azzurri63 said:
Just my opinion but from what I've seen of him in the NHL I'm not getting too excited. Hopefully the kid is the answer. Time will tell. Been 6+ years since we drafted him. If he was the answer he'd be playing.

Not that I think Woll is the answer, either, but goalies often take longer to lock down a spot on the NHL roster than other prospects. Hasek, for instance, didn?t make his NHL debut until 7 years after he was drafted. Shesterkin didn?t make his until 5 years after he was. Outside of the handful of clear elite guys, goalies take a while to get there.

True.  Or else they get there quickly and then fall off the table? ... like?  ... I won't say it.
 
I think there's really only 3 or 4 reliably elite goalies in the league worth paying for.

The rest just run hot and cold and are impossible to predict.
 
I miss magical Matthews.  He's been pretty underwhelming offensively, by elite standards.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I miss magical Matthews.  He's been pretty underwhelming offensively, by elite standards.

Said it a week ago he's been the biggest disappointment. Maybe after last year we expect too much but for me it's the inconsistency. He in my opinion is up there with the McDavids and McKinnons but for me too many nights off. You don't see that from the other 2.
 
azzurri63 said:
Zee said:
azzurri63 said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
5-1. Jiminy.  Murray is having a terrible game.

Other thing that we haven't done last few years is actually draft a goalie that's highly rated. Completely ignored it. Woll isn't the answer, Scott is done. McKay hasn't looked great this year but could be indicative of team in front of him but Dubas has never addressed it. Either trade for a bonafide #1 or use a high draft to select someone. Definitely had years to do it unfortunately we keep trading away number 1 picks for scraps.

How do you know Woll isn't the answer?

Just my opinion but from what I've seen of him in the NHL I'm not getting too excited. Hopefully the kid is the answer. Time will tell. Been 6+ years since we drafted him. If he was the answer he'd be playing.


He's 3-1 with a .911 in the NHL so he's been fine. Goalies don't usually break in until 24-25 so next year we could see him
 
Bill33 said:
I think there's really only 3 or 4 reliably elite goalies in the league worth paying for.

The rest just run hot and cold and are impossible to predict.

That?s also true. There?s definitely fewer reliable starters than there have been in the past.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I miss magical Matthews.  He's been pretty underwhelming offensively, by elite standards.

I watched him quite a bit in last nights game. He wasn't in the game mentally. He is arriving at plays a second or so late which means he's not getting to the loose pucks or getting to the spots that he use to steal pucks when forechecking. I'm not sure if it's his commitment to being more defensive minded and it's taking some adjustment or if he's injured. I'm not even sure if it's been the case for a good chunk of the season. Just an observation is all.

That said, the team has picked up the slack. Nylander has been fantastic. Marner has been fantastic. Tavares is reliable as always and the supporting cast is finally scoring(ignore last night). I do think that Matthews will get hot really soon. If it doesn't happen soon, hopefully it happens a week before the playoffs.
 
Leafs had just 7 shot attempts at 5-on-5 with Marner and Tavares on the ice last night. That's been a trend over the past 2 weeks. Their shot attempt rates since then are right at the bottom of the team, on par with the 4th line (Leafs are actually generating more shot attempts per 60 with ZAR on the ice in that period). 4 of Marner and Tavares's 7 lowest CF games this season have come since December 22nd.

Engvall leads the team in actual shots per 60 at 5-on-5 in that span of time, if they're looking to get that line a boost.
 
I watched the first period, which was a clinic in not letting the other team shoot anything clean. And then I checked the score later in the night and that came out pretty disappointing.

I think stuffing the other team early on is all well and good (if you can pot a couple of goals), but it leaves our own goalie cold and behind the play, while giving some players a false sense of security. Happened against Arizona a couple of times.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Leafs had just 7 shot attempts at 5-on-5 with Marner and Tavares on the ice last night. That's been a trend over the past 2 weeks. Their shot attempt rates since then are right at the bottom of the team, on par with the 4th line (Leafs are actually generating more shot attempts per 60 with ZAR on the ice in that period). 4 of Marner and Tavares's 7 lowest CF games this season have come since December 22nd.

Engvall leads the team in actual shots per 60 at 5-on-5 in that span of time, if they're looking to get that line a boost.

After a hot start on the PP in particular Tavares has looked like a dogs breakfast.  He's really not driving the play.  I'm increasingly interested in getting a 2C and moving him to the wing
 
herman said:
I watched the first period, which was a clinic in not letting the other team shoot anything clean. And then I checked the score later in the night and that came out pretty disappointing.

I think stuffing the other team early on is all well and good (if you can pot a couple of goals), but it leaves our own goalie cold and behind the play, while giving some players a false sense of security. Happened against Arizona a couple of times.
 
Zee said:
azzurri63 said:
Zee said:
azzurri63 said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
5-1. Jiminy.  Murray is having a terrible game.

Other thing that we haven't done last few years is actually draft a goalie that's highly rated. Completely ignored it. Woll isn't the answer, Scott is done. McKay hasn't looked great this year but could be indicative of team in front of him but Dubas has never addressed it. Either trade for a bonafide #1 or use a high draft to select someone. Definitely had years to do it unfortunately we keep trading away number 1 picks for scraps.

How do you know Woll isn't the answer?

Just my opinion but from what I've seen of him in the NHL I'm not getting too excited. Hopefully the kid is the answer. Time will tell. Been 6+ years since we drafted him. If he was the answer he'd be playing.


He's 3-1 with a .911 in the NHL so he's been fine. Goalies don't usually break in until 24-25 so next year we could see him

Ya you're right most goalies take time but I think with the goalie situation last couple years you think we would have seen him take a bigger role with this team. 4 games in the NHL isn't much to get excited about. His draft year he was the second goalie taken behind Carter Hart who we could have had but drafted Korshkov (who) another great move by brass. We had our young future goalie right there and passed on him. Goalies are funny ducks you really don't know what you're going to get. I hope you're right maybe he needs more time we'll see.
 
L K said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Leafs had just 7 shot attempts at 5-on-5 with Marner and Tavares on the ice last night. That's been a trend over the past 2 weeks. Their shot attempt rates since then are right at the bottom of the team, on par with the 4th line (Leafs are actually generating more shot attempts per 60 with ZAR on the ice in that period). 4 of Marner and Tavares's 7 lowest CF games this season have come since December 22nd.

Engvall leads the team in actual shots per 60 at 5-on-5 in that span of time, if they're looking to get that line a boost.

After a hot start on the PP in particular Tavares has looked like a dogs breakfast.  He's really not driving the play.  I'm increasingly interested in getting a 2C and moving him to the wing

I was in the Wing?d Tavares camp before the season but then he silenced me with this good play off the hop.  Pretty much no chance of that happening this year but I would like to see it down the road.
 
Beyond how bad the Leafs can look defensively I don't get how ineffective TO's PP can be, those 5 forwards should at least be able to generate a shot every PP per game?
 
hobarth said:
Beyond how bad the Leafs can look defensively I don't get how ineffective TO's PP can be, those 5 forwards should at least be able to generate a shot every PP per game?

Said it a million times they pass it around way too often. Always looking for that pretty goal it seems instead of keeping it simple. That's on the coaches to. Either get on them to shoot more or change it up and play the 2nd unit more. Team comes before egos sorry.
 
azzurri63 said:
hobarth said:
Beyond how bad the Leafs can look defensively I don't get how ineffective TO's PP can be, those 5 forwards should at least be able to generate a shot every PP per game?

Said it a million times they pass it around way too often. Always looking for that pretty goal it seems instead of keeping it simple. That's on the coaches to. Either get on them to shoot more or change it up and play the 2nd unit more. Team comes before egos sorry.

I'm a little more concerned about how stationary the PP continually looks. There's nothing wrong with passing and looking for open/quality chances but when they aren't moving it's pretty much a fruitless plan of attack. Granted we're talking about a 9th overall unit, so it's not like they have been awful, but that's the main issue I see when I watch them out there. Slow, stationary and predictable.
 

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