Kulemin and Grabovski to the Islanders

[CarltonTheBear]

Bodie had 3 goals and 7 assists in 47 games. You are completely wrong.

He's wrong, but not completely far off. Kulemin score 20 points in 70 games, which over 82 games translates to 23 points. Bodie's point totals would translate to 17 over a full season, although since we're only dealing with 47 games for Bodie it's hard to say if he would stay on that same pace over 82 games.

In a points-per-minute look Bodie has him beat.

 

[Andy007]

Bodie had 3 goals and 7 assists in 47 games. You are completely wrong.

He's wrong, but not completely far off. Kulemin score 20 points in 70 games, which over 82 games translates to 23 points. Bodie's point totals would translate to 17 over a full season, although since we're only dealing with 47 games for Bodie it's hard to say if he would stay on that same pace over 82 games.

In a points-per-minute look Bodie has him beat.

Okay then, I'll settle for just 'wrong'

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Bodie had 3 goals and 7 assists in 47 games. You are completely wrong.

He's wrong, but not completely far off. Kulemin score 20 points in 70 games, which over 82 games translates to 23 points. Bodie's point totals would translate to 17 over a full season, although since we're only dealing with 47 games for Bodie it's hard to say if he would stay on that same pace over 82 games.

In a points-per-minute look Bodie has him beat.

And by that measure he outscored Bolland too!  Mimico's own.

 

[Courtnall]

I just can't understand this love for kulemin. He had one good season, only one. He was a defensive specialist on a horribly defensive team? A lot of people had no problem with mcclement leaving and he was touted also as a defensive specialist on a lousy PK. IMO Komorov brings the same if not more to the table as he's also an agitator. I didn't hate kulemin at all but am not sad to see him go at that price tag.

 

[Stickytape]

I just can't understand this love for kulemin. He had one good season, only one. He was a defensive specialist on a horribly defensive team? A lot of people had no problem with mcclement leaving and he was touted also as a defensive specialist on a lousy PK. IMO Komorov brings the same if not more to the table as he's also an agitator. I didn't hate kulemin at all but am not sad to see him go at that price tag.

I wouldn't have paid nearly that much for him, either, but I think he was misused in Toronto.  It will be interesting to see how he's used by another coach, and if he does any better.

I really wish Carlyle had gotten the ax and that I'd get to see him used differently in Toronto, but unfortunately, that train has sailed.

At least it's cool that he gets to play with Grabbo again. I wish them both well.

 

[Bullfrog]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

 

[bakeapples]

Troy Bodie was scoring at a higher pace then Kulemin.

Bodie had 3 goals and 7 assists in 47 games. You are completely wrong.

Ranking Name            Team    Mins    Pts    Pts/60
287 Troy Bodie TOR   405 10 1.48
425 Nikolai Kulemin TOR 1,135 20 1.06

 

[Bullfrog]

That's disingenuous.

Kulemin had 1.26 pts/60 even strength and Bodie had 1.49. Both scored all of their points even strength and had next to no power play time. Bodie's pts/60 was still higher, but we're only talking about 10 points total and only 404 total minutes even strength. I'm not a stats expert, but I'm not convinced it's an especially accurate predictor of their respective offensive output.

If Bodie got one less point, his pts/60 drops to 1.34. Kulemin scores one more point, his goes up to 1.33.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

?For young players to watch Kulemin and Grabovski work, not just during practice, but in the weight room and prior to practice, is a real blessing for a young team,? Cronin said. ?They will go out and have a purpose to everything they do and take a real pride in everything they do.?

?That faceoff success speaks to his intensity and competitiveness,? Cronin said. ?I told Garth he is going to work extremely hard. He?s got that second effort on pucks, a lot of quickness, he jumps into space well.?

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Guess he couldn't say these things when he was a member of the Leafs staff buying him out.

Also:

?He has a very high enthusiasm to play offensively and has a lot of confidence in his ability to make plays,? Cronin said.

He added "which is why Randy Carlyle gave him tough defensive minutes instead."

 

[Joe S.]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

Even though Grabovski's Leafs career was 0.61 PPG compared to Bozak's 0.62 PPG while averaging around 2:00 less/game and no elite winger?

I don't think it's a huge difference or whatever, but I do think Grabovski is better and certainly was better as a Leaf.

 

[Kin]

I really hope that this "Who would you rather have Clarkson + a player who has nothing to do with Clarkson or 2 different players who have nothing to do with Clarkson" test catches on because it really lets people weigh in on whether or not they think the Clarkson contract is paying dividends.

 

[Bullfrog]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

I'm on the fence, but that wasn't the question! 

It's whether or not you'd take one pair over the other. And just about any pair with Clarkson is not getting chosen by me.

 

[bustaheims]

I really hope that this "Who would you rather have Clarkson + a player who has nothing to do with Clarkson or 2 different players who have nothing to do with Clarkson" test catches on because it really lets people weigh in on whether or not they think the Clarkson contract is paying dividends.

Seriously. Clarkson has become tmlfans version of Godwin's Law.

 

[Frank E]

I really hope that this "Who would you rather have Clarkson + a player who has nothing to do with Clarkson or 2 different players who have nothing to do with Clarkson" test catches on because it really lets people weigh in on whether or not they think the Clarkson contract is paying dividends.

Clarkson and world peace, or Grabovski and a Cup?

 

[Kin]

And just about any pair with Clarkson is not getting chosen by me.

The questions should really get harder then. What would you rather have: Clarkson or an angry beehive in your car? Clarkson or two weeks in a Turkish prison? Clarkson or having to "Old Yeller" your least favourite relative?

We should really get to the bottom of just how soul destroying Clarkson's contract is.

 

[Joe S.]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

Even though Grabovski's Leafs career was 0.61 PPG compared to Bozak's 0.62 PPG while averaging around 2:00 less/game and no elite winger?

I don't think it's a huge difference or whatever, but I do think Grabovski is better and certainly was better as a Leaf.

It's a couple of things with me - I find that bozak is a little better both ways, and with Grabovski I felt that he tried to do too much at times and was a bit of a puck hog, not using his linemates as best as he could.

It's not like 1 is a clear upgrade over the other, but forced to choose one over the other I'll go with Bozak.

 

[Zee]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

Even though Grabovski's Leafs career was 0.61 PPG compared to Bozak's 0.62 PPG while averaging around 2:00 less/game and no elite winger?

I don't think it's a huge difference or whatever, but I do think Grabovski is better and certainly was better as a Leaf.

It's a couple of things with me - I find that bozak is a little better both ways, and with Grabovski I felt that he tried to do too much at times and was a bit of a puck hog, not using his linemates as best as he could.

It's not like 1 is a clear upgrade over the other, but forced to choose one over the other I'll go with Bozak.

I was impressed with Bozak last year.  If he can stay healthy and produce like last season he has a shot at 60 points.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Who would you rather have? Clarkson and Bozak or Grabbo and Kulemin for about $500k cheaper? I can see the latter really lighting it up this season.

Grabovski and Kulemin without even hesitating.

I liked Grabovski, but I would not pick him over Bozak.

Even though Grabovski's Leafs career was 0.61 PPG compared to Bozak's 0.62 PPG while averaging around 2:00 less/game and no elite winger?

I don't think it's a huge difference or whatever, but I do think Grabovski is better and certainly was better as a Leaf.

It's a couple of things with me - I find that bozak is a little better both ways, and with Grabovski I felt that he tried to do too much at times and was a bit of a puck hog, not using his linemates as best as he could.

Whereas I would view Bozak as someone who often throws the puck blindly away in an attempt to force a pass to his much better wingers while Grabovski was someone who maybe would try to maintain possession instead.

But I think perhaps in both cases we might both, to some extent, see what we want to see in those aspects of their game.

 

[Joe S.]

Whereas I would view Bozak as someone who often throws the puck blindly away in an attempt to force a pass to his much better wingers while Grabovski was someone who maybe would try to maintain possession instead.

But I think perhaps in both cases we might both, to some extent, see what we want to see in those aspects of their game.

Well like I said, one isn't significantly better than the other.

If Bozak had Grabovski tenacity I think he'd become my favourite player on the team.... I guess by extension that means Grabovski should be my favourite player...

I think I just lost myself in a logic loop.