Leafs claim Panik from TBay

[LuncheonMeat]

I think the hype of his college story and then a gold stretch post lockout confused a lot of people on Frattin, I hope he can find the next gear, but as some have said he might not have another.

He lost his top six job to Kozun and has probably lost his top 12 job to Panik.  Unless there's an injury I'd say he has run out of time.  He will be a 13th forward for the time being.

edit: and if Booth ever returns healthy, Frattin could be next on waivers.

Frattin had that great scoring chance last night in the slot and his shot glanced off the Habs defender.  I wonder how much different this narrative would be had he potted that goal. 

 

[Madferret]

Guys I believe the K is actually pronounced like an S. The P is silent as well. And the A is full.

Pronounced "Ehh-nis

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Guys I believe the K is actually pronounced like an S. The P is silent as well. And the A is full.

Pronounced "Ehh-nis

Dick Anus?

 

[Madferret]

Guys I believe the K is actually pronounced like an S. The P is silent as well. And the A is full.

Pronounced "Ehh-nis

Dick Anus?

Tricky Dick Ehh-nis

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

[youtube]7KkNTsYFP6g[/youtube]

Richard Panik goal vs. Sarnia: http://youtu.be/7KkNTsYFP6g

 

[Danny R]

What a move.

 

[sneakyray]

And then did very well with similar ice time in 2012-13 with 52.ppg, 16.6% shooting.

Maybe an indicator that he had a fortuitous 25 games that season.

An outlier potentially. Maybe he was fortuitous getting the puck but a bunch of his NHL goals were pretty good shots and plays as I recall. And he did it in college and the AHL as well.

Maybe it's another Jeremy Williams (I loved his shot)/Lonny Bohonos moment in Leafs history.

he also went out of that one marlie's playoff run with a pretty bad leg injury didn't he?  maybe he's never really recovered?

yeah, I thought he had knee surgery and was recovered in the first half of the shortened season (when he was on fire) then he had a scheduled surgery to clean it up and didn't come back until later in the year but was never the same player...then was traded in the off-season.

this is what I recall anyways.

 

[Highlander]

Your recall is perfect, obviously a lot of people see something in Matt Frattin so the big question is when or will he show up.  Is he afraid of reinjuring his knee, afraid of success? I think this is more mental than physical and he needs to figure out his motivations before he goes the way of the Doe-doe.

 

[sneakyray]

Your recall is perfect, obviously a lot of people see something in Matt Frattin so the big question is when or will he show up.  Is he afraid of reinjuring his knee, afraid of success? I think this is more mental than physical and he needs to figure out his motivations before he goes the way of the Doe-doe.

I think it is a bit odd though, did he lose confidence, start playing playing more shy and as a result didn't score as much...or was he just snake-bitten and that's what caused the lack of confidence.  Chircken or egg deal I guess.  The guy did have a clear cut breakaway in game 7 against boston that he botched or missed.  much different than his almost unbelievable OT goal against buffalo earlier in the year.  It'll be interesting to see if he can get his mojo back...maybe he never will, or maybe he will not even get a good opportunity now.

 

[Highlander]

Looks like extinction is aready here (or very close to it)  http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/10/10/richard_panik_bumps_matt_frattin_off_maple_leafs_fourth_line_in_practice.html

 

[cw]

And then did very well with similar ice time in 2012-13 with 52.ppg, 16.6% shooting.

Maybe an indicator that he had a fortuitous 25 games that season.

An outlier potentially. Maybe he was fortuitous getting the puck but a bunch of his NHL goals were pretty good shots and plays as I recall. And he did it in college and the AHL as well.

Maybe it's another Jeremy Williams (I loved his shot)/Lonny Bohonos moment in Leafs history.

he also went out of that one marlie's playoff run with a pretty bad leg injury didn't he?  maybe he's never really recovered?

yeah, I thought he had knee surgery and was recovered in the first half of the shortened season (when he was on fire) then he had a scheduled surgery to clean it up and didn't come back until later in the year but was never the same player...then was traded in the off-season.

this is what I recall anyways.

I kind of forgot about that. He originally hurt his knee badly in the AHL playoffs in 2012. But he came back from that surgery and got pretty hot - 7 goals in 10 games in the NHL or something like that. But then he had to have another procedure on that knee in 2013.

So you're right - maybe that injury was the turning point for his career and he lost a step. It's odd though that it wasn't medically apparent to the Leafs who traded to get him back.

I kind of liked his play when he came up. Something seems to have gone wrong.

 

[Redleaf]

And then did very well with similar ice time in 2012-13 with 52.ppg, 16.6% shooting.

Maybe an indicator that he had a fortuitous 25 games that season.

An outlier potentially. Maybe he was fortuitous getting the puck but a bunch of his NHL goals were pretty good shots and plays as I recall. And he did it in college and the AHL as well.

Maybe it's another Jeremy Williams (I loved his shot)/Lonny Bohonos moment in Leafs history.

he also went out of that one marlie's playoff run with a pretty bad leg injury didn't he?  maybe he's never really recovered?

yeah, I thought he had knee surgery and was recovered in the first half of the shortened season (when he was on fire) then he had a scheduled surgery to clean it up and didn't come back until later in the year but was never the same player...then was traded in the off-season.

this is what I recall anyways.

I kind of forgot about that. He originally hurt his knee badly in the AHL playoffs in 2012. But he came back from that surgery and got pretty hot - 7 goals in 10 games in the NHL or something like that. But then he had to have another procedure on that knee in 2013.

So you're right - maybe that injury was the turning point for his career and he lost a step. It's odd though that it wasn't medically apparent to the Leafs who traded to get him back.

I kind of liked his play when he came up. Something seems to have gone wrong.

Yeah. Something has gone terribly wrong with Frattin. I'm guessing the acquisition of Panik will knock Frattin down to the AHL. Lets just hope he can rediscover his game with the Marlies. I haven't given up hope on him becoming a good player for the Leafs quite yet, his play so far this season has been worrisome.

 

[freer]

And then did very well with similar ice time in 2012-13 with 52.ppg, 16.6% shooting.

Maybe an indicator that he had a fortuitous 25 games that season.

An outlier potentially. Maybe he was fortuitous getting the puck but a bunch of his NHL goals were pretty good shots and plays as I recall. And he did it in college and the AHL as well.

Maybe it's another Jeremy Williams (I loved his shot)/Lonny Bohonos moment in Leafs history.

he also went out of that one marlie's playoff run with a pretty bad leg injury didn't he?  maybe he's never really recovered?

yeah, I thought he had knee surgery and was recovered in the first half of the shortened season (when he was on fire) then he had a scheduled surgery to clean it up and didn't come back until later in the year but was never the same player...then was traded in the off-season.

this is what I recall anyways.

I kind of forgot about that. He originally hurt his knee badly in the AHL playoffs in 2012. But he came back from that surgery and got pretty hot - 7 goals in 10 games in the NHL or something like that. But then he had to have another procedure on that knee in 2013.

So you're right - maybe that injury was the turning point for his career and he lost a step. It's odd though that it wasn't medically apparent to the Leafs who traded to get him back.

I kind of liked his play when he came up. Something seems to have gone wrong.

Yeah. Something has gone terribly wrong with Frattin. I'm guessing the acquisition of Panik will knock Frattin down to the AHL. Lets just hope he can rediscover his game with the Marlies. I haven't given up hope on him becoming a good player for the Leafs quite yet, his play so far this season has been worrisome.

I really don't like Frattin, but it is hard to make a judgement after only one game

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well he'll be 27 early in January, and typically that's not an age where a player can dramatically turn around their fortunes.  Reality is that he's shown only a very small window of consistent NHL play so it's unrealistic to expect him to rebound to something he's never really consistently been.  Maybe he will be one of the outliers who can do it, but at this point it's unlikely.

 

[dappleganger]

Patrick Sharp is an example of a guy who broke at 26. There's hope but we just ain't seeing it from Frattin. I'm not getting my hopes up.

He needs playing time to perform but needs to perform to get playing time.

 

[Kin]

Patrick Sharp is an example of a guy who broke at 26. There's hope but we just ain't seeing it from Frattin. I'm not getting my hopes up.

The thing though about guys like Sharp and St. Louis is that they have a definite trajectory to their careers. So even if they broke through at 25 or 26 there was continual growth. Neither guy had years where they stalled or regressed. For them it was a matter of opportunity. Frattin has had a ton of opportunity the last few years.

 

[bustaheims]

The thing though about guys like Sharp and St. Louis is that they have a definite trajectory to their careers. So even if they broke through at 25 or 26 there was continual growth. Neither guy had years where they stalled or regressed. For them it was a matter of opportunity. Frattin has had a ton of opportunity the last few years.

That, and guys like Sharp and St Louis showed more in the AHL than Frattin has. They both showed strong, well rounded offensive games, whereas Frattin has really only shown an ability to finish at the AHL level - and while that's useful, it's not really something that shows he has high end offensive instincts or ability. It's really more of an indication of him having an NHL calibre shot - but, like with Jeremy Williams, if the rest of the tools aren't good enough, it's not going to lead to much.

 

[cw]

Patrick Sharp is an example of a guy who broke at 26. There's hope but we just ain't seeing it from Frattin. I'm not getting my hopes up.

The thing though about guys like Sharp and St. Louis is that they have a definite trajectory to their careers. So even if they broke through at 25 or 26 there was continual growth. Neither guy had years where they stalled or regressed. For them it was a matter of opportunity. Frattin has had a ton of opportunity the last few years.

Neither of those guys had the sort of knee injury Frattin had nor had their break through year to full time in the NHL trying to crack a Cup winning roster. Of course, I don't think Frattin is ever going to be as good as those other two either. But there may be a reason beyond his control for the burp in his trajectory.

Over three stints in the AHL he scored 33 goals in 57 AHL games (- a 47 goal pace over 82 games )- which is very, very good. To see him suddenly drop to 2 goals in 40 games strikes me as a bit weird.

 

[cw]

The thing though about guys like Sharp and St. Louis is that they have a definite trajectory to their careers. So even if they broke through at 25 or 26 there was continual growth. Neither guy had years where they stalled or regressed. For them it was a matter of opportunity. Frattin has had a ton of opportunity the last few years.

That, and guys like Sharp and St Louis showed more in the AHL than Frattin has. They both showed strong, well rounded offensive games, whereas Frattin has really only shown an ability to finish at the AHL level - and while that's useful, it's not really something that shows he has high end offensive instincts or ability. It's really more of an indication of him having an NHL calibre shot - but, like with Jeremy Williams, if the rest of the tools aren't good enough, it's not going to lead to much.

That's certainly true. Both St Louis and Sharp were and are better rounded players. I did think Frattin had a better all around game than Jeremy Williams but to me, it seems either he flourishes as a top 6 goal scorer or he's not going to be able to accomplish much in the NHL. Sadly, it appears the latter is unfolding as now Panik is likely going to get his 4th line ice time.

 

[Darryl]

Guess I missed out on all the panic move jokes