Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 3rd, 10:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590

[Kin]

I don't care if he's one of your best offensive guys.

I do care but, again, only because I'm interested in the Leafs tying the game.

 

[herman]

I like that Nylander got the double shift while Marner regrouped.

 

[azzurri63]

I don't care if he's one of your best offensive guys.

I do care but, again, only because I'm interested in the Leafs tying the game.

Believe me there is no one on this site that wants to see this team win more than me. Has he seen the ice since that?

 

[mr grieves]

You could make this more concrete by asking whether Hyman, Brown, Komarov, Martin, and Soshnikov/Leivo offer all that much more during regulation than Vrbata, PAP, and Vanek. I don't know that they do. And if it's only a marginal upgrade during the first 65 min, and the latter bunch have are much more likely to help you out with the extra point, seems like a "shootout specialist" -- guy who's okay in regulation, better than most in the shootout -- is worth having.

That seems less like a case for shootout specialists and more a case for the Leafs needing to upgrade on the wing. Vanek being more useful than Martin seems true if the team has 82 or 0 shootouts.

Well, drop Vanek and Martin to keep it from getting silly (tho Vanek on a 4th line to play PP minutes and shootouts sounds good to me!). I still think tolerating PAP's and Vrbata's weaknesses relative to Hyman and Brown would probably be worth it, if they flipped a few of those SOLs to Ws. 3-4 more points would be a help right now. And, as you've noted, those who we'd call "shootout specialists" are serviceable hockey players, so those weaknesses probably don't amount to much anyhow.

 

[digdug]

Who did Ray say the Leafs signed today so he'd be able to be exposed in the expansion draft?

Good question.  I can't find anything anywhere

 

[Kin]

Believe me there is no one on this site that wants to see this team win more than me. Has he seen the ice since that?

He is now, which means he missed one shift which seems like a pretty fair reaction from Babcock.

 

[Bender]

Man Hunwick is bad.

 

[Bender]

Believe me there is no one on this site that wants to see this team win more than me. Has he seen the ice since that?

He is now, which means he missed one shift which seems like a pretty fair reaction from Babcock.

Why wasn't he benched for the rest of the game?  :

 

[azzurri63]

Believe me there is no one on this site that wants to see this team win more than me. Has he seen the ice since that?

He is now, which means he missed one shift which seems like a pretty fair reaction from Babcock.

Good at least he made him think about it. Careless play that there is no need for. I would have let him stew about it a bit more. Hopefully he redeems himself. They all make mistakes don't get me wrong but some are inexcusable and unnecessary as that was.It turned the game around. Playing a good road game and up 2-1 now we find ourselves down going into the third.

 

[azzurri63]

Believe me there is no one on this site that wants to see this team win more than me. Has he seen the ice since that?

He is now, which means he missed one shift which seems like a pretty fair reaction from Babcock.

Why wasn't he benched for the rest of the game?  :

Probably cuz he's one of Babcock's favourites.

 

[dekedastardly]

Who did Ray say the Leafs signed today so he'd be able to be exposed in the expansion draft?

Good question.  I can't find anything anywhere

Logan Shaw of the Ducks, I think

 

[herman]

Watching that Marner giveaway again, I think he was expecting Marchenko to be carrying some forward momentum, but Marchenko is a conservative player and was backing into deep support.

That pass was served up pretty nice for someone like Gardiner to skate into and recycle the attack.

 

[azzurri63]

Who did Ray say the Leafs signed today so he'd be able to be exposed in the expansion draft?

Good question.  I can't find anything anywhere

Logan Shaw of the Ducks, I think

The Ducks resigned him.

 

[Bender]

Watching that Marner giveaway again, I think he was expecting Marchenko to be carrying some forward momentum, but Marchenko is a conservative player and was backing into deep support.

That pass was served up pretty nice for someone like Gardiner to skate into and recycle the attack.

Yeah I mean Marner made a bad move but I didn't think Marchenko really had to back off on that.

 

[Kin]

Well, drop Vanek and Martin to keep it from getting silly (tho Vanek on a 4th line to play PP minutes and shootouts sounds good to me!). I still think tolerating PAP's and Vrbata's weaknesses relative to Hyman and Brown would probably be worth it, if they flipped a few of those SOLs to Ws. 3-4 more points would be a help right now. And, as you've noted, those who we'd call "shootout specialists" are serviceable hockey players, so those weaknesses probably don't amount to much anyhow.

Like I said, I think that says more about Hyman and Brown than the general value of guys kept around just for their shootout ability which you may be able to say about PAP these days but wouldn't be true of Vrbata.

This argument is probably better made in the abstract. If you have a generic player X and player Y and player Y is a PAP-Vrbata-Vanek level shootout guy(45% or so) and player X is, say, not much use in the shootout then how much better does player X have to be during actual hockey to be more valuable than player Y?

Personally, I think the answer is "not much".

 

[Kin]

Good at least he made him think about it. Careless play that there is no need for. I would have let him stew about it a bit more. Hopefully he redeems himself. They all make mistakes don't get me wrong but some are inexcusable and unnecessary as that was.It turned the game around. Playing a good road game and up 2-1 now we find ourselves down going into the third.

A mistake by its definition is unnecessary.

 

[lamajama]

Who did Ray say the Leafs signed today so he'd be able to be exposed in the expansion draft?

Good question.  I can't find anything anywhere

Logan Shaw of the Ducks, I think

The Ducks resigned him.

Ray definitely said the Leafs but Shaw name sounds familiar. I was thinking maybe Smith

 

[ZBBM]

1 point on this trip isn't going to get it done.

 

[mr grieves]

1 point on this trip isn't going to get it done.

How many of these California road trips haven't been murder over the last decade? Seems like all of them.

 

[ZBBM]

1 point on this trip isn't going to get it done.

How many of these California road trips haven't been murder over the last decade? Seems like a[A]ll of them.

Friendly amendment.