Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+

[herman]

I know it's not as much fun to look at this trade from the other perspective but the Avalanche were more or less able to do this trade to get a #2 C on a very good contract because they have a pretty bananas group of defensive prospects.

They now have the Mackinnon-Landeskog-Rantanen base to build around with Makar, Byram, Jost, Newhook, Timmins and so on coming up right behind them.

It was a very good trade for both sides. You don't hear that very often.

Dubas generally does good win-win trades (at least very understandable for both sides)

 

[Highlander]

I know it's not as much fun to look at this trade from the other perspective but the Avalanche were more or less able to do this trade to get a #2 C on a very good contract because they have a pretty bananas group of defensive prospects.

They now have the Mackinnon-Landeskog-Rantanen base to build around with Makar, Byram, Jost, Newhook, Timmins and so on coming up right behind them.

It was a very good trade for both sides. You don't hear that very often.

Dubas generally does good win-win trades (at least very understandable for both sides)

If its not win win, then is not a great deal.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Is there any scenario now where the leafs can sign Gardiner and Marner?

They'd almost certainly have to clear cap space. They have to sign Kerfoot which will probably be 2.5-3.5 million and Marner is still sort of in the who knows territory. But even assuming they get Kerfoot at 2.5 and Marner at 9 and get rid of Ceci they'd only have about 3.5 to offer Gardiner.

They'd have to dump Hyman for a pick and 2 of the extra D men. Leafs are listed with 8 right now without Ceci. So Hyman plus 1.4 gives you 2.6, added to the 3.5 and you get to 6 mill. It would be very tight.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I hope Naz has a great year with the Avs. Maybe he won't be expected to be the enforcer; a job he was obviously not suited for.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I know it's not as much fun to look at this trade from the other perspective but the Avalanche were more or less able to do this trade to get a #2 C on a very good contract because they have a pretty bananas group of defensive prospects.

They now have the Mackinnon-Landeskog-Rantanen base to build around with Makar, Byram, Jost, Newhook, Timmins and so on coming up right behind them.

It was a very good trade for both sides. You don't hear that very often.

Absolutely a good deal for both. Very pleased with Dubas.

 

[Kin]

They'd have to dump Hyman for a pick and 2 of the extra D men. Leafs are listed with 8 right now without Ceci. So Hyman plus 1.4 gives you 2.6, added to the 3.5 and you get to 6 mill. It would be very tight.

Yeah. The more and more I look at it though I think Ceci stays. Someone has to play with Rielly and either Dubas has one more rabbit to pull out of his hat or there's not much in the way of options.

 

[Sudafederov]

https://twitter.com/SNstats/status/1145834325893668869

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They'd have to dump Hyman for a pick and 2 of the extra D men. Leafs are listed with 8 right now without Ceci. So Hyman plus 1.4 gives you 2.6, added to the 3.5 and you get to 6 mill. It would be very tight.

Your dedication to trading Hyman in every thread amazes me

 

[Guilt Trip]

They'd have to dump Hyman for a pick and 2 of the extra D men. Leafs are listed with 8 right now without Ceci. So Hyman plus 1.4 gives you 2.6, added to the 3.5 and you get to 6 mill. It would be very tight.

Yeah. The more and more I look at it though I think Ceci stays. Someone has to play with Rielly and either Dubas has one more rabbit to pull out of his hat or there's not much in the way of options.

Totally agree. I think Ceci stays. I can't see them paying Gardiner 6-7 mill. He's just not good enough for that kind of money. I also don't see them wanting to dump Hyman for literally nothing. Maybe Dubas has another surprise for us??

Your dedication to trading Hyman in every thread amazes me

Every thread is a little overstated. I'm also not dedicated. Just a realist when it comes to his salary and the crunch we're under. Brown was sacrificed today and it could have been Hyman. Same kind of player.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Every thread is a little overstated. I'm also not dedicated. Just a realist when it comes to his salary and the crunch we're under.

Friendly bet: I say Hyman finishes his current contract with the Leafs (2 seasons left) without getting traded. If I'm wrong, "Guilt Trip was right" goes under my avatar for a month. Vice versa if he isn't traded.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Every thread is a little overstated. I'm also not dedicated. Just a realist when it comes to his salary and the crunch we're under.

Friendly bet: I say Hyman finishes his current contract with the Leafs (2 seasons left) without getting traded. If I'm wrong, "Guilt Trip was right" goes under my avatar for a month. Vice versa if he isn't traded.

Sure why not? I've been wrong before lol.

 

[slapshot]

Kerfoot would be a really good defensive 3C. Evolving Wild has been pushing for Selke consideration for him.

Barrie is right handed Rielly, so maybe he plays with Muzzin in an ideal situation. We probably go to the mat to extend him if it works out.

While Dermott is down:
Muzzin - Barrie
Rielly - Ceci
Marincin - Holl

Don't see that bottom pairing. From what I heard today, Harpur is better then both. I'm also going out on a limb and saying I think Borgman gets a chance next year along with Liljegren and one of them starts the year with the Leafs.

I concur. I think they both wind up in AHL or on waivers before too long.
Leafs top six d going into playoffs next year probably looks like this...

Rielly  Barrie (they played together very well at World Championships a few years back)

Muzzin  Liljegren (he may start in bottom pairing but I think moves up)

Dermott    Ceci  (if Ceci can up his game, and Liljegren works out well, could be a very much improved back end.

7 Borgman 8 Sandin

 

[BrownRolo]

What's our lives who looking like.now?

Kerfoot at 3C?

 

[Andy007]

Is there any scenario now where the leafs can sign Gardiner and Marner?

Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

 

[Guilt Trip]

What's our lives who looking like.now?

Kerfoot at 3C?

I think so. Battle between him and Spezza.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1145846389836013569

Shots fired at Smith.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wanted to look at the Leafs cap situation with all these moves today. First, let's assume the roster looks like this (lines can be adjusted, that's not the point of this)

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Keroot-Kapanen
Moore-Shore-Spezza
Petan

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Borgman-Ceci
Harpur

Andersen
Hutchinson

For the RFA's, lets say Marner gets $10mil, Ceci gets $4.5mil, and Kerfoot gets $2.8mil (that one's based off Evolving Wild's contract projections). That roster, plus Kessel's retained salary and minus Horton on the LTIR comes to $80.6mil. So just enough to fit in another below $1mil player to be the 23rd guy on the roster (Agostino or Gauthier or Bracco or Marincin or Borgman or Holl or whoever).

Some extra room can come if we just ditch Ceci and replace him with someone at a quarter of that cap hit. Or if we bridge Marner and get an extra couple million. But we're pretty much right at the limit as things stand now.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Is there any scenario now where the leafs can sign Gardiner and Marner?

Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

Forgot about that part. You're right, can't spend that much on a bottom pairing D man. Maybe the Leafs, if they end up having some money left over will go after a backup?

 

[Kin]

Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

It's obviously not this simple but if the choice was between Ceci and Gardiner and they chose Ceci because of handedness...I think that would be a very bad decision.

 

[Andy007]

Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

It's obviously not this simple but if the choice was between Ceci and Gardiner and they chose Ceci because of handedness...I think that would be a very bad decision.

Exactly.