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It's possible Colborne just can't handle 1st line minutes in his 1st game back after injury... Or, it's possible Wilson is an idiot...
 
Floyd said:
It's possible Colborne just can't handle 1st line minutes in his 1st game back after injury... Or, it's possible Wilson is an idiot...

I think that'd be putting quite a bit of pressure on the kid. But who knows, if he's looking good and the Leafs are struggling Wilson might make a change in-game.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Floyd said:
It's possible Colborne just can't handle 1st line minutes in his 1st game back after injury... Or, it's possible Wilson is an idiot...

I think that'd be putting quite a bit of pressure on the kid.

There's that, and there's something to be said for making players earn that kind of role. Not that Bozak necessarily has, but, he's still pretty far ahead of Colborne when it comes to what he's earned at the NHL level - and, that line has produced pretty well while he's been on it, so, why change the one thing that's working?

If they take Bozak off the first line, it will be for Connolly, not Colborne.
 
Floyd said:
It's possible Colborne just can't handle 1st line minutes in his 1st game back after injury... Or, it's possible Wilson is an idiot...

I'm starting to think it.  The 4th line is going to be a massive liability against a much better Washington team and the rest of the lineup consists of a guys who can't score.  Injuries aside, Frattin just isn't getting it done to be playing in the top 6 at this point with 1 point on the season.  His scoring chances have really dried up too.
 
L K said:
Floyd said:
It's possible Colborne just can't handle 1st line minutes in his 1st game back after injury... Or, it's possible Wilson is an idiot...

I'm starting to think it.  The 4th line is going to be a massive liability against a much better Washington team and the rest of the lineup consists of a guys who can't score.  Injuries aside, Frattin just isn't getting it done to be playing in the top 6 at this point with 1 point on the season.  His scoring chances have really dried up too.

Well Orr will probably end up with about 2 minutes of ice time, Rosehill maybe 5. I wouldn't count on them being on the ice very much.

As for Frattin, it's back to the Marlies once we get some bodies back.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
Busta Reims said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to put colborne with Lupol and Kessel and then move Bozak back to the third line?

In his 2nd career NHL game? No.

But it was okay in his 1st career NHL game?

In a meaningless final game of the season? Yes.

I just don't really see the difference.  If the kid has what it takes to be a number one centre, then lets see what he can do.  I don't see how it's any different than calling up Bozak and saying "Here you go kid, Kessel's your right winger" a couple of years back.

Here's why I think the offense has dried up.  The Leafs are somewhat of a one trick pony.  They score off the rush, and that is pretty much it.  If you can force them to get in to a cycle game, a team can keep them to the outside and keep them off the scoreboard because no one drives to the net and the other team just has to stand there and block shots all night. 

Now you have this 6'5" centre, first round pick to boot, that apparently has done nothing but work on this aspect of his game (driving to the net, with AUTHORITY),  and his skating with the Marlies.  I say give him the keys to the corvette and see if he can drive it to the net. 
 
Yeah but what's dad gonna say when he gets home?...

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Significantly Insignificant said:
I just don't really see the difference.

In terms of pressure on a player, brought on by both himself and the Toronto media, there's absolutely a difference between being called up in the middle of a losing streak while the team is fighting for their playoffs lines and being thrown onto the first line and being expected to produce and being called up to play the last game of the season where winning and losing has absolutely no effect on how the season is going to end.

Significantly Insignificant said:
If the kid has what it takes to be a number one centre, then lets see what he can do.  I don't see how it's any different than calling up Bozak and saying "Here you go kid, Kessel's your right winger" a couple of years back.

Well, when Bozak was thrown onto the first line it was largely because there was very little else in terms of options. In this case, the first line is clicking. You could argue whether or not Bozak is an integral part in their success, but the bottom line is that it's the only thing working and changing it probably isn't in the best interests of the team.

Significantly Insignificant said:
Here's why I think the offense has dried up.  The Leafs are somewhat of a one trick pony.  They score off the rush, and that is pretty much it.  If you can force them to get in to a cycle game, a team can keep them to the outside and keep them off the scoreboard because no one drives to the net and the other team just has to stand there and block shots all night. 

Now you have this 6'5" centre, first round pick to boot, that apparently has done nothing but work on this aspect of his game (driving to the net, with AUTHORITY),  and his skating with the Marlies.  I say give him the keys to the corvette and see if he can drive it to the net. 

The offense hasn't exactly dried up. The first line is still scoring, it's the rest of the team that's disappeared offensively. So if Wilson wants to kick-start the rest of the lines by crashing the net, would it not make more sense to put Colborne on the 3rd line to do that as opposed to Bozak? That way there's potentially another scoring line that Wilson can throw over the boards? And while I'm not the biggest Crabb fan, I'll admit that I'm curious to see if he and Colborne can translate their AHL success to the NHL, so why not start them off together? That's instant chemistry right there, something that Colborne doesn't have with Kessel or Lupul.
 
Yeah, good point about Colborne and Crabb CTB, hopefully they click right away.

I'm really interested to see how Franson handles a regular role too.
 
WAYNEINIONA said:
Unless they click right away there will probably be alot of line juggling in this game.

Probably depends on how the game goes but you could be right. Gotta hope for the best tho...
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
I just don't really see the difference.

In terms of pressure on a player, brought on by both himself and the Toronto media, there's absolutely a difference between being called up in the middle of a losing streak while the team is fighting for their playoffs lines and being thrown onto the first line and being expected to produce and being called up to play the last game of the season where winning and losing has absolutely no effect on how the season is going to end.

Significantly Insignificant said:
If the kid has what it takes to be a number one centre, then lets see what he can do.  I don't see how it's any different than calling up Bozak and saying "Here you go kid, Kessel's your right winger" a couple of years back.

Well, when Bozak was thrown onto the first line it was largely because there was very little else in terms of options. In this case, the first line is clicking. You could argue whether or not Bozak is an integral part in their success, but the bottom line is that it's the only thing working and changing it probably isn't in the best interests of the team.

Significantly Insignificant said:
Here's why I think the offense has dried up.  The Leafs are somewhat of a one trick pony.  They score off the rush, and that is pretty much it.  If you can force them to get in to a cycle game, a team can keep them to the outside and keep them off the scoreboard because no one drives to the net and the other team just has to stand there and block shots all night. 

Now you have this 6'5" centre, first round pick to boot, that apparently has done nothing but work on this aspect of his game (driving to the net, with AUTHORITY),  and his skating with the Marlies.  I say give him the keys to the corvette and see if he can drive it to the net. 

The offense hasn't exactly dried up. The first line is still scoring, it's the rest of the team that's disappeared offensively. So if Wilson wants to kick-start the rest of the lines by crashing the net, would it not make more sense to put Colborne on the 3rd line to do that as opposed to Bozak? That way there's potentially another scoring line that Wilson can throw over the boards? And while I'm not the biggest Crabb fan, I'll admit that I'm curious to see if he and Colborne can translate their AHL success to the NHL, so why not start them off together? That's instant chemistry right there, something that Colborne doesn't have with Kessel or Lupul.

I'll begrudgingly accept your arguments....but if they lose tonight....
 
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