Mackinnon On Next Contract

[azzurri63]

See what happens when he signs but that's the kind of player or leader you want on my team.
Didn't hear any of that coming from our overpaid bunch.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/avalanches-mackinnon-contract-next-deal-ill-take-less/

 

[Kin]

Mackinnon didn't "take less" on his first deal. He signed what was the equivalent of a 7.1 million dollar per year deal at the time after scoring 52 points.

Meanwhile people here were freaking out about Nylander signing for less than that after two 60+ point years.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

From a Sportsnet story on his comments:

?I definitely didn?t take a discount when I signed that deal,? he told reporters post-game. ?I think that?s totally fair for where I was at.

As for whether he'll take a discount again for the first time on his next contract, yeah that's easy to say when it's still 4 years away.

 

[Kin]

It's great that some Leafs fans are so desperate to beat up on our young players that they're doing so on the basis of something another player said about a hypothetical contract he might sign five years from now.

 

[Guilt Trip]

That article means nothing. The Avs were looking at trading him back then. Many said wow, that's a lot of money for him. Let's see how much of a discount he actually takes when the time comes. Is he going to take 12, 13 mill instead of 14? Much about nothing.

 

[Bullfrog]

That article means nothing. The Avs were looking at trading him back then. Many said wow, that's a lot of money for him. Let's see how much of a discount he actually takes when the time comes. Is he going to take 12, 13 mill instead of 14? Much about nothing.

Don't scoff, that's 10% off!

 

[Guilt Trip]

That article means nothing. The Avs were looking at trading him back then. Many said wow, that's a lot of money for him. Let's see how much of a discount he actually takes when the time comes. Is he going to take 12, 13 mill instead of 14? Much about nothing.

Don't scoff, that's 10% off!

Ah c'mon, I can scoff if I want. We'll see when the time comes.

 

[Bates]

McKinnon sign a deal based on potential, it worked for the team. We signed out 3 guys to max with basically almost no ability for the team to get value as they are unlikely to be better than they were. To me, that's the difference. Nylander was paid as if he is a 70 point player, Matthews was paid as a 50 goal scorer, and Marner was paid as a 100 point player. Unlikely all 3 repeat these in regularity.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Complaining our guys didn't get a MacKinnon like contract is basically just saying you wished they were worse hockey players in their 2nd and 3rd years of their ELCs.

 

[Bates]

Complaining our guys didn't get a MacKinnon like contract is basically just saying you wished they were worse hockey players in their 2nd and 3rd years of their ELCs.

How about those of us who just expect them to paid in the League roughly at their value in the League?  Our last two kinda signed a little above where they fit.

 

[Kin]

What in the world is the point of using something Mackinnon said that has no actual consequence to relitigate the Leafs contracts? I'm pretty sure we've all said our pieces on those deals. I appreciate that Bates has no capacity for growth or learning but the rest of us do.

 

[azzurri63]

Hard to compare players to what they sign for compared to others in their calibre when signing in different years. I'm not arguing that. If Nylander would have signed same time as Pasta he (Nylander) wouldn't have gotten the nearly 7 million he signed for.

The point I'm trying to make and let's see when the time comes as to what MacKinnon will do.

All 3 Leaf youngsters signed for the max. Other concern I had was 2 of them held out to get as much out of Dubas as possible. I would have said see you later.

Because of it we can't even sign a good backup ffs.

No one wishes these guys flop. I would love to see this team win as much as the rest of you but plain and simple Dubas overpaid and got schooled on all 3 contracts.

He should have stood firm with Nylander and say hey this is the max we are offering. Don't like it see you later. He didn't Nylander milked him and the other 2 saw this and got the max.

You guys happy with their play. I'm not and definitely not at what they are getting paid.

Again we'll see when the time comes a lot can change. But as Bullfrog said even 10% for the fab 3 would have saved us around 3 million. Decent backup maybe not like the sh*tshow we've been witnessing.

 

[bustaheims]

Hard to compare players to what they sign for compared to others in their calibre when signing in different years. I'm not arguing that. If Nylander would have signed same time as Pasta he (Nylander) wouldn't have gotten the nearly 7 million he signed for.

This is such garbage. When Pastrnak signed his contract, he had 123 points in 172 games (0.72 points/game). When Nylander signed his, he had 135 points in 185 games (0.73 points/game). So, with virtually identical point/game, Nylander wouldn't have gotten near $7M when Pastrnak got close to that? You could not be more wrong.

 

[Bates]

Hard to compare players to what they sign for compared to others in their calibre when signing in different years. I'm not arguing that. If Nylander would have signed same time as Pasta he (Nylander) wouldn't have gotten the nearly 7 million he signed for.

This is such garbage. When Pastrnak signed his contract, he had 123 points in 172 games (0.72 points/game). When Nylander signed his, he had 48 goal, 135 points in 185 games (0.73 points/game). So, with virtually identical point/game, Nylander would t have gotten near $7M when Pastrnak got close to that? You could not be more wrong.

Other teams have signed their key players on potential and there are a few examples of that working really well. We signed out big guys on expectation of continued growth, It's really hard to show that we are even breaking even so far. Oddly the whipping boy Nylander might be our best chance at a bargain. That doesn't bode well for team success.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Hard to compare players to what they sign for compared to others in their calibre when signing in different years. I'm not arguing that. If Nylander would have signed same time as Pasta he (Nylander) wouldn't have gotten the nearly 7 million he signed for.

The point I'm trying to make and let's see when the time comes as to what MacKinnon will do.

All 3 Leaf youngsters signed for the max. Other concern I had was 2 of them held out to get as much out of Dubas as possible. I would have said see you later.

Because of it we can't even sign a good backup ffs.

No one wishes these guys flop. I would love to see this team win as much as the rest of you but plain and simple Dubas overpaid and got schooled on all 3 contracts.

He should have stood firm with Nylander and say hey this is the max we are offering. Don't like it see you later. He didn't Nylander milked him and the other 2 saw this and got the max.

You guys happy with their play. I'm not and definitely not at what they are getting paid.

Again we'll see when the time comes a lot can change. But as Bullfrog said even 10% for the fab 3 would have saved us around 3 million. Decent backup maybe not like the sh*tshow we've been witnessing.

Leafs can sign a decent backup. Trade a guy like Hyman for picks/prospect and you've got the cash. They could also move Johnsson if they wanted/needed to. I don't think he's had a very good year considering where he's playing. His point totals aren't good enough for me considering he got lots of PP1 time. I didn't mention CC because not sure he's tradable.

 

[Kin]

Of all the stupid things in this thread, and there are a lot of stupid things, by far the cream of the crop is saying "I would have traded any player who held out" while at the same time whining that the Leafs should have more deals like the Pastrnak one.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

This is such garbage. When Pastrnak signed his contract, he had 123 points in 172 games (0.72 points/game). When Nylander signed his, he had 48 goal, 135 points in 185 games (0.73 points/game). So, with virtually identical point/game, Nylander would t have gotten near $7M when Pastrnak got close to that? You could not be more wrong.

You're definitely right, he was worth the 7M based on his stats and he got it, and it never should have taken so long. What I do think has some merit is a debate on how Dubas went about negotiating that deal, and how it impacted his bargaining position on his other RFA signings. IMO he tried to play hardball, lost, and had to overcompensate on the other two.

 

[Kin]

This is such garbage. When Pastrnak signed his contract, he had 123 points in 172 games (0.72 points/game). When Nylander signed his, he had 48 goal, 135 points in 185 games (0.73 points/game). So, with virtually identical point/game, Nylander would t have gotten near $7M when Pastrnak got close to that? You could not be more wrong.

You're definitely right, he was worth the 7M based on his stats and he got it, and it never should have taken so long. What I do think has some merit is a debate on how Dubas went about negotiating that deal, and how it impacted his bargaining position on his other RFA signings. IMO he tried to play hardball, lost, and had to overcompensate on the other two.

How did he lose? Most of the debate at the time had Nylander's camp asking for something like Draisaitl's deal(or at least at 8m per) and the rumour was the Leafs were offering something closer to what Ehlers got. They met in the middle, very slightly on the Ehlers side.

Arguing that Dubas maybe shouldn't have pushed Nylander into December is fair but realistically that almost certainly means giving Nylander more than what he got.

 

[azzurri63]

Hard to compare players to what they sign for compared to others in their calibre when signing in different years. I'm not arguing that. If Nylander would have signed same time as Pasta he (Nylander) wouldn't have gotten the nearly 7 million he signed for.

The point I'm trying to make and let's see when the time comes as to what MacKinnon will do.

All 3 Leaf youngsters signed for the max. Other concern I had was 2 of them held out to get as much out of Dubas as possible. I would have said see you later.

Because of it we can't even sign a good backup ffs.

No one wishes these guys flop. I would love to see this team win as much as the rest of you but plain and simple Dubas overpaid and got schooled on all 3 contracts.

He should have stood firm with Nylander and say hey this is the max we are offering. Don't like it see you later. He didn't Nylander milked him and the other 2 saw this and got the max.

You guys happy with their play. I'm not and definitely not at what they are getting paid.

Again we'll see when the time comes a lot can change. But as Bullfrog said even 10% for the fab 3 would have saved us around 3 million. Decent backup maybe not like the sh*tshow we've been witnessing.

Leafs can sign a decent backup. Trade a guy like Hyman for picks/prospect and you've got the cash. They could also move Johnsson if they wanted/needed to. I don't think he's had a very good year considering where he's playing. His point totals aren't good enough for me considering he got lots of PP1 time. I didn't mention CC because not sure he's tradable.

Really. Think some of you are missing my point. There should be no reason to trade anyone for a backup. That could have been avoided if we didn't overpay.

 

[azzurri63]

Of all the stupid things in this thread, and there are a lot of stupid things, by far the cream of the crop is saying "I would have traded any player who held out" while at the same time whining that the Leafs should have more deals like the Pastrnak one.

He's not worth what Pasternak got. He got more because the market was what it was.
He's nowhere near the player and I wouldn't have caved to give him the 7.

You guys can talk all you want this team has more problems than you think and it mostly boils down to Dubas.