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Maple Leafs Training Camp 2024-25 Thread

princedpw said:
I?m hoping for the best for Robertson and his shot is a laser.  But every year we see preseason guys who excel and come back down to earth when the regular season starts.  Robertson has had a bunch of wide open chances. He?ll probably have fewer of those when the defensive intensity ratchets up.
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Yes. But some of our stars very obviously take nights off against bottom feeders (until the last 10 minutes of the third period), so it'd be nice for Robertson to cook those teams on those nights. We'll see if Berube allows that pattern to persist the way Keefe did.

OldTimeHockey said:
And when he gets less puck time/ice time.
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He picked up 15 G with next to zero ice time (exaggerating), a terrible centre, and being flipped in and out of games for... reasons. Puck hound Robertson with a reasonable centre will pick up some more ice time. Berube pushing for more rush play will result in better production for Robertson.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm still skeptical about Robertson as far as a full season performance goes, but he's certainly made it much tougher to trade him. Still have no idea where he falls in the line-up if Pacioretty signs.
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I think the season will ebb and flow and it'll all sort itself out. We never take enough stock into injuries and whatnot. There's always opportunities, players just have to seize them.
 
princedpw said:
I?m hoping for the best for Robertson and his shot is a laser.  But every year we see preseason guys who excel and come back down to earth when the regular season starts.  Robertson has had a bunch of wide open chances. He?ll probably have fewer of those when the defensive intensity ratchets up.
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You mean like last year when he scored at a 20 goal rate playing 11 mins a night on the 3rd line? He's already proven he can score at a decent pace and nobody should be expecting him to score like he is now but I find it funny that a lot of you choose to ignore what he did last year. If he can pot 20 at 850K and play the kind of D he is now, he's exactly what the Leafs need.
 
Guilt Trip said:
princedpw said:
I?m hoping for the best for Robertson and his shot is a laser.  But every year we see preseason guys who excel and come back down to earth when the regular season starts.  Robertson has had a bunch of wide open chances. He?ll probably have fewer of those when the defensive intensity ratchets up.
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You mean like last year when he scored at a 20 goal rate playing 11 mins a night on the 3rd line? He's already proven he can score at a decent pace and nobody should be expecting him to score like he is now but I find it funny that a lot of you choose to ignore what he did last year. If he can pot 20 at 850K and play the kind of D he is now, he's exactly what the Leafs need.
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I don't think anyone is ignoring what he did last year. I think people are saying to temper the expectations. Which I think is very reasonable.
 
If I had full creative control I probably move out Kampf (probably not happening) and Reaves (definitely not happening). Reaves is Reaves, enough said really. Kampf has his uses but at this point any of Dewar, Holmberg, or even Lorentz could hold down the 4C spot, not to mention possible options later in the season like Quillan or even Minten. Sign Pacioretty and Lorentz and you have something like:

Knies-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Nylander-Robertson
Pacioretty-Tavares-Domi
Lorentz-Dewar-Jarnkrok
Holmberg

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Hakanpaa
OEL-Liljegren
Benoit

Woll
Stolarz

That still leaves a whopping $2.23mil in cap space that could be used on an additional roster player to get to a full 23-man roster. Or you could keep it open and have it accrue cap space that we could use to pick up a high AAV player for cheap without needing retention. Or use it to eat up any performance bonuses that Pacioretty might end up earning.

Jarnkrok sticks around as a potential safety net in case Robertson turns back into a pumpkin, or if Pacioretty is cooked halfway through the season. I have him staying over Kampf largely because he can potentially be more of a utility player that can plug and play anywhere in the line-up, as opposed to Kampf who should only be playing 4C IMO. And because he's one of the few right handed shots both on the NHL or even AHL team. Trading both could be an option but leaves the team very short on forwards who can play defensive minutes.

Eventually I would also probably move Knies or Marner down in the line-up to spread out the top wingers a little more, but that line-up's probably where I start.

If the team needs an additional forward later in the season, either at wing or C, you can possibly shop Liljegren if the rest of the D looks solid.

Ultimately I don't think these are the moves that we see happening, but again just what I'd do.

edit: actually I'm realizing now you don't even need to trade Reaves to get this under the cap, so I guess he could stay for the vibes but not play much.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Guilt Trip said:
princedpw said:
I?m hoping for the best for Robertson and his shot is a laser.  But every year we see preseason guys who excel and come back down to earth when the regular season starts.  Robertson has had a bunch of wide open chances. He?ll probably have fewer of those when the defensive intensity ratchets up.
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You mean like last year when he scored at a 20 goal rate playing 11 mins a night on the 3rd line? He's already proven he can score at a decent pace and nobody should be expecting him to score like he is now but I find it funny that a lot of you choose to ignore what he did last year. If he can pot 20 at 850K and play the kind of D he is now, he's exactly what the Leafs need.
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I don't think anyone is ignoring what he did last year. I think people are saying to temper the expectations. Which I think is very reasonable.
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Temper what expectations? That he can probably score 20ish goals for the Leafs and play solid defensively for 850K? That's reasonable but yeah let's pump the brakes here because nothing in his past suggests he can do that this season if given the chance.
 
https://twitter.com/LeafsPR/status/1842228113947693495
https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1842227426622927000

Liljegren still practicing outside the top-6 defence. Willy back on the wing again. Who does Robertson knock out of the top-9?
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/LeafsPR/status/1842237537693126731
Next batch of cuts
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Nylander certainly didn't leave as much of an impression as I had hoped. Hopefully he's still able to make an impact on the Marlies.
 
Still remaining, to the best that I can gather after typing out each player from the training camp roster and then subtracting the announced transactions:


Forwards:
Kyle Clifford (AHL, IR)
Easton Cowan
Connor Dewar
Max Domi
Pontus Holmberg
Calle Jarnkrok
David Kampf
Matthew Knies
Steven Lorentz (PTO)
Mitch Marner
Auston Matthews
Bobby McMann
Fraser Minten (IR)
William Nylander
Max Pacioretty (PTO)
Ryan Reaves
Nick Robertson
John Tavares

Defense:
Simon Benoit
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Jani Hakanpaa (IR)
Timoth Liljegren
Jake McCabe
Dakota Mermis (IR)
Philippe Myers
Morgan Rielly
Marshall Rifai
Chris Tanev
Connor Timmins

Goaltenders:
Joseph Woll
Anthony Stolarz
Matt Murray
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/LeafsPR/status/1842228113947693495
https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1842227426622927000

Liljegren still practicing outside the top-6 defence. Willy back on the wing again. Who does Robertson knock out of the top-9?
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That second line will be stuck in its own end while simultaneously diminishing a meaningful offensive contribution from a third line. In other words, I hate these lines.
 
herman said:
Still remaining, to the best that I can gather after typing out each player from the training camp roster and then subtracting the announced transactions:
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You could have just followed @Kyle_Cush on twitter.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Still remaining, to the best that I can gather after typing out each player from the training camp roster and then subtracting the announced transactions:
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You could have just followed @Kyle_Cush on twitter.
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I do, but he didn't have it up yet when I was typing this up for lunch, and he posted just before I cleaned mine up in a manually typed BBCode table like a loser.

https://x.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1842240433457414421
 
https://twitter.com/Kyle_Cush/status/1842244057550004668
Nicky Bobby episode dropping after Nicky Bobby showcase is just excellent timing.
 
Highlander said:
Sounds like Chief is not that high on Liljegren.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him moved out.  Janrok as well.
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I'm a fan of Liljegren but to me Rafai and Myers have both outplayed him in the preseason.
 
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