I just saw this suggested on twitter... what are the odds they give Marleau the C for a couple of seasons?
Marleau signed [3 years, $6.25mil AAV]
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CarltonTheBear said:
Could be a good move. Keeps the pressure off Matthews for a few years and gives him a mentor/ line-mate to learn more from.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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CarltonTheBear said:
I could see it, but honestly, I'm not crazy about pinning the C on a guy who just got here, unless it's someone who is going to come in and be the best player.
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
I don't think it makes a ton of sense. I think it puts a ton of pressure on a player to expect him to come into a new situation and instantly be the leader of a bunch of players he's not terribly familiar with and, as coaches and players like to say in interviews, it's not like putting a C on his chest will fundamentally alter whatever leadership qualities he brings.
I don't know if Matthews is ready, or even if Matthews is the right choice among the young players, but I wouldn't force it regardless.
Britishbulldog
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This is a perfect signing in my books with the salary structure. The term is probably what's needed to convince him to come to the Leafs and he is bigger, heavier and a significant offensive upgrade on Hyman. Wow!!
So, what we likely look like as of right now:
Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Komarov-Kadri-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Martin-Moore-Hyman
Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Hainsey
Marincin/Dermott/Swede-Carrick
Andersen
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*Hyman's always been the only winger on the team playing his off-wing. Even if JVR or Komarov get dealt, I hope this move slides him over to the right side.
Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Komarov-Kadri-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Martin-Moore-Hyman
Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Hainsey
Marincin/Dermott/Swede-Carrick
Andersen
McBackup
*Hyman's always been the only winger on the team playing his off-wing. Even if JVR or Komarov get dealt, I hope this move slides him over to the right side.
L K
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This kind of veteran is a hell of a lot more valuable to me than Hainsey or Moore.
Three years doesn't lock the Leafs in. Marleau isn't who he used to be but he's still fast, good defensively and provides a good veteran presence on the forward group.
Find a top 4 defenseman and this is a great offseason.
Three years doesn't lock the Leafs in. Marleau isn't who he used to be but he's still fast, good defensively and provides a good veteran presence on the forward group.
Find a top 4 defenseman and this is a great offseason.
They need to find a way to at least get one of Kapanen or Soshinikov into lineup full time. They are both excellent forecheckers and can play valuable pk minutes. Yes, you will argue that Moore and Marleau will do the same, but i see youthfulness as an asset in providing a more effective and relentless forecheck.CarltonTheBear said:
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gunnar36 said:
6 million as a number is a pretty flexible concept. Is he worth 6 million the same way a RFA is? No. Is he worth 6 million the way a 29 year old UFA getting 7 years is? Again, probably not.
My expectations for him are that he can be a 45-50 point guy with at least 20-25 of those being goals while being solid defensively and a good locker room presence. What would I ideally pay for someone like that? Less than 6 million, sure, but realistically that doesn't happen in this case. You are paying a premium for making this happen and it's not a bad one or likely to hurt the team in any meaningful way.
What this also does is let the leafs have some movable assets when trying to shore up the D. Trading JVR or Brown with Marleau already in the fold lets them do it from a position of strength where they don't have to worry about how they can fill a top 6 spot. How they shape the 4th line beyond that is, you know, kind of champagne problems.
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I'm not sure whether this means Hyman's pushed down the line-up or JVR's been freed up to be traded for some defense, but either way the team's improved. And they seem to be going for it. Good.
gunnar36 said:
Kapanen is going to have to be patient. He'll either get his chance when JVR is traded, or maybe next season when JVR and Bozak potentially walk (which would open up 1 top-9 wing spot, or potentially 2 wing spots if Nylander slides to centre). He's also still exempt from waivers so him playing another season in the AHL wouldn't be the end of the world.
As far as Soshnikov goes, I don't see him being more than a 4th liner. Albeit, a 4th liner that I like. But with Martin taking up 1 spot, there's a lot of competition for the other spot so he's in a very tough situation. Any one of Hyman or Soshnikov or Kapanen or Leivo would be fine there.
herman
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Marleau - Matthews - Marner/Kapanen
Komarov - Kadri - Brown/Marner
JvR - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown
Leivo - Moore - Hyman
Martin
Gardiner - Hainsey
Rielly - Zaitsev
Marincin - Carrick
Dermott - Marchenko
This assumes Bozak is the move out (for whoever lost out on Bonino).
We really have to play Marner with one of our LCs to get more out of him.
Komarov - Kadri - Brown/Marner
JvR - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown
Leivo - Moore - Hyman
Martin
Gardiner - Hainsey
Rielly - Zaitsev
Marincin - Carrick
Dermott - Marchenko
This assumes Bozak is the move out (for whoever lost out on Bonino).
We really have to play Marner with one of our LCs to get more out of him.
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Joe S. said:
This move put the team over the cap without LTIR, considering JVR is in the last year of a contract that is paying him significantly less than he is worth, it's not a giant leap to suggest he needs to be traded before being lost for nothing.
Especially if he's the centrepiece of a deal that nets you a youngish RD.
Kin
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Joe S. said:
It doesn't but as has been pointed out it creates a surplus of forwards who deserve roster spots and the guy with a lot of trade value who they really can't re-sign has always been the most logical trade option. The one real argument for not trading JVR was the team's lack of depth at LW and this addresses that.