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Marleau traded to Carolina

I think it's a great move. By all accounts the pick will be in the 20's so I have no problem with Dubas removing Lou's mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if The Canes buy him out for $3,833,333 and he signs in SJ.
 
herman said:
There is a tendency to severely overvalue the late first round pick when you already have a very young core locked in. Prospect pipeline is important but they are built from far more sources than just the first round of the draft.
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Agreed. Hence the reason top 10 protected! Leafs arguably have the best development dept in the business.
 
herman said:
There is a tendency to severely overvalue the late first round pick when you already have a very young core locked in. Prospect pipeline is important but they are built from far more sources than just the first round of the draft.
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We can spin it anyway we want to but this is a high price to pay to get out from under Lou's mistake.  A nice little stink bomb he left behind.
 
Dappleganger said:
Joe S. said:
Dappleganger said:
KW Sluggo said:
princedpw said:
KW Sluggo said:
Bender said:
That's a shit load to give up for one year of Marleau. Jesus.
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I could not agree more. This is a stupid, stupid trade. I would have thrown in no higher than a 2nd rounder and more likely two third round picks over two years or I would have kept him.

Why couldn't we take a younger (i.e., some one signed to a contract under age 35) player back as part of a salary dump by some team and then just buy the guy and or waive him to the AHL?
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From the sounds of things, Dubas has been talking to a lot of teams.  If there was a better deal out there for Marleau, I find it hard to believe he simply overlooked it.
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You might think that but after not covering himself with glory on the Nylander negotiations, opting for Sparks over McElhinney and then extending Sparks and doing so after a less than adequate 2018-19 performance, I have my doubts.

Too bad, I had high hopes for Dubas but he has misspent my confidence in him.
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Dubas has made a few moves that should be placed in the "not good" category now. Not a great sign in his first year on the job.
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Such as?
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What KW said and this Marleau trade.

I mean, I'd add his tactics signing the big 3 off their RFA contracts has been mismanaged as well but we're not privy to the details of that.
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Ok.
 
So Deebo says in the other thread that McKenzie says a deal is in place for Kapanen in the low 3s.  So that's good.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
herman said:
There is a tendency to severely overvalue the late first round pick when you already have a very young core locked in. Prospect pipeline is important but they are built from far more sources than just the first round of the draft.
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We can spin it anyway we want to but this is a high price to pay to get out from under Lou's mistake.  A nice little stink bomb he left behind.
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Leafs probably did give up an NHL player but losing one of Johnsson or Kappy because of this would be worse.
 
It's a tough pill to swallow but if that's the cost of keeping Kapanen, Johnsson and Marner together then you more or less have to do it.
 
I Kind of Like it, that erases Lou's mistake on an extra year for a late 1st round. It is top 10 protected, so, we're good.

If they can unload Zaitsev they are in good shape cap wise, with their core signed.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
herman said:
The cap space is worth more than next year?s 25th+ pick (which Subas would?ve just converted to second rounders anyway).
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Mmmm our prospect pool isn't THAT deep that we can punt 2 years in a row on 1sts.  You kind of have to take Sluggo's point here: this team hasn't even won a playoff round, let alone really challenged for the Cup. 

Good luck to Dubas with his dearly bought cap space but I think they are a bit farther away.
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Trading a pick that won?t play for multiple years to free up Lou?s mistake makes them further away?  Come on.
 
It's higher than I would have liked, but what can you do. We needed the cap space, especially since it's lower than we expected.
 
Nik the Trik said:
It's a tough pill to swallow but if that's the cost of keeping Kapanen, Johnsson and Marner together then you more or less have to do it.
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I think I'd trade a late first round pick for $6.25m in cap space given the circumstances, so I'm cool with this.
 
Frank E said:
Nik the Trik said:
It's a tough pill to swallow but if that's the cost of keeping Kapanen, Johnsson and Marner together then you more or less have to do it.
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I think I'd trade a late first round pick for $6.25m in cap space given the circumstances, so I'm cool with this.
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Yeah, that seems like a good way to look at things. If they can make more room by trading Brown and maybe Zaitsev and then catch a break on the Johnsson/Marner deals...this could mean the difference between maybe having Gardiner or not? I'd trade a first round pick for a Gardiner equivalent defenceman.
 
I kind of feel like next season is a writeoff due to the salary cap issues, however this trade is interesting in that it will probably allow the Leafs to re-sign Marner, Kapaenen, and hopefully Johnsson as well.  If Dubas can pull that off, then this trade seems definitely worth it.  What about Jake Gardiner though?  How do they replace him?  And can they fit a player with that type of salary under the cap now?
 
The thing that strikes me as kind of funny about this is that Carolina, if they really have the cap space so that this doesn't hurt them much, does pretty well here.

So why the 7th round pick? They're virtually free if you want them. Imagine them not doing this, not getting a first round pick for cap space, if the Leafs didn't also throw in a pick that figures to be around #200 in the draft?
 
Tough price to pay, but ultimately, had to be done. Also makes me wonder if Dubas has something in the hopper to acquire a 1st in another trade.
 
I'm a bit surprised that Carolina was the team to agree to this. I was under the understanding that they were a budget team, and throwing $6M for what will amount to a late 1st round pick seems a bit out of character, but stranger things.

But hey, if they want to pay this much for our pick at 31 next year, no problem. The cap relief at a critical time is more than worth it.

Full marks to dubas and co.
 
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