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L K said:
Keon's not sticking it to Ballard at this point.  He's sticking it to the fans who still want to see him.

I don't see Keon's stance as a blight on or towards the fans.

While I respect your opinion on the subject, I object to the idea that Keon's grudge is somewhat outdated or outmoded and that it disrespects the fans in any way.

Considering all that Keon was subjected to at the time by Ballard & co., the somewhat appalling and callous treatment and attitudes directed at him (and some of his teammates), I don't blame him for continuing to feel as he does.  Some people take things far more seriously 'In their lives than others.

Having read the book, "67: The Leafs, Their Incredible Victory, and the End of an Empire", I was shocked at the way Leafs ownership & management treated the players of that era.  For some like Keon, it isn't easy to forgive or forget.
 
You know, the more I read up about this Harold Ballard character, the more I think that this guy was a bit of a jerk...
 
The one story that always stuck with me was from Hal Pal.  He had booked the Beatles to play at the Gardens.  There was a miscommunication, and he thought he had booked them for two nights, and they thought they were only playing one.  So when he said "you have to stay for two nights", they said give us more money.  They went back and forth on this and in the end Ballard ended up having to pay more money to the Beatles to stay the extra night.

So on the first night, he cranked the heat, put extra salt on anything that had salt, wouldn't let anyone go outside, and he doubled the price of drinks.  He made enough money that first night in concessions to more than pay for the second night.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
The one story that always stuck with me was from Hal Pal.  He had booked the Beatles to play at the Gardens.  There was a miscommunication, and he thought he had booked them for two nights, and they thought they were only playing one.  So when he said "you have to stay for two nights", they said give us more money.  They went back and forth on this and in the end Ballard ended up having to pay more money to the Beatles to stay the extra night.

So on the first night, he cranked the heat, put extra salt on anything that had salt, wouldn't let anyone go outside, and he doubled the price of drinks.  He made enough money that first night in concessions to more than pay for the second night.

If there was one thing about Pal Hal, and he was definitely a grouch of a character alright, is that he could at times (away from the limelight) quite generous. 

I remember my late brother having told me that one day while he was in the hospital when he was a young boy recovering from minor surgery, he received an envelope with tickets to the Beatles concert (I still have the ticket stubs).  No one knew where or who sent them except that they were sent by a radio station on behalf of someone (whom many found out later to have been Ballard).

That was a wonderful gesture of generosity particularly on Ballard's part when it became known that Old Harold loved putting smiles on children's faces.  It didn't stop there, for my brother also received Leafs tickets. 

I'm in no means trying to sugarcoat Ballard in any way, for the man dealt shadily in his financial activities and had a callous disregard for many of the Maple Leafs player of the era.

 
hockeyfan1 said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
The one story that always stuck with me was from Hal Pal.  He had booked the Beatles to play at the Gardens.  There was a miscommunication, and he thought he had booked them for two nights, and they thought they were only playing one.  So when he said "you have to stay for two nights", they said give us more money.  They went back and forth on this and in the end Ballard ended up having to pay more money to the Beatles to stay the extra night.

So on the first night, he cranked the heat, put extra salt on anything that had salt, wouldn't let anyone go outside, and he doubled the price of drinks.  He made enough money that first night in concessions to more than pay for the second night.

If there was one thing about Pal Hal, and he was definitely a grouch of a character alright, is that he could at times (away from the limelight) quite generous. 

I remember my late brother having told me that one day while he was in the hospital when he was a young boy recovering from minor surgery, he received an envelope with tickets to the Beatles concert (I still have the ticket stubs).  No one knew where or who sent them except that they were sent by a radio station on behalf of someone (whom many found out later to have been Ballard).

That was a wonderful gesture of generosity particularly on Ballard's part when it became known that Old Harold loved putting smiles on children's faces.  It didn't stop there, for my brother also received Leafs tickets. 

I'm in no means trying to sugarcoat Ballard in any way, for the man dealt shadily in his financial activities and had a callous disregard for many of the Maple Leafs player of the era.

Nice story hf1.  More evidence that humans are often a mass of contradictions.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
If there was one thing about Pal Hal, and he was definitely a grouch of a character alright, is that he could at times (away from the limelight) quite generous. 

Well, no. If there's one thing about him it's that he was a petty moronic tyrant who almost singlehandedly destroyed the legacy of this franchise and turned it into a laughingstock through a combination of spite and ineptitude.

He wasn't "a grouch". He was a bad person. Leafs fans should spit on the ground when they hear his name.
 
Nik the Trik said:
hockeyfan1 said:
If there was one thing about Pal Hal, and he was definitely a grouch of a character alright, is that he could at times (away from the limelight) quite generous. 

Well, no. If there's one thing about him it's that he was a petty moronic tyrant who almost singlehandedly destroyed the legacy of this franchise and turned it into a laughingstock through a combination of spite and ineptitude.

He wasn't "a grouch". He was a bad person. Leafs fans should spit on the ground when they hear his name.

Yeah. He was a pretty horrible xenophobic, bigoted racist. I mean, really, just a horrible person who occasionally did a nice thing.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
hockeyfan1 said:
If there was one thing about Pal Hal, and he was definitely a grouch of a character alright, is that he could at times (away from the limelight) quite generous. 

Well, no. If there's one thing about him it's that he was a petty moronic tyrant who almost singlehandedly destroyed the legacy of this franchise and turned it into a laughingstock through a combination of spite and ineptitude.

He wasn't "a grouch". He was a bad person. Leafs fans should spit on the ground when they hear his name.

Yeah. He was a pretty horrible xenophobic, bigoted racist. I mean, really, just a horrible person who occasionally did a nice thing.

So......not a fan?
 
Video of it doesn't seem to be online but Roger Neilson's HHOF speech, and the crowd reaction, is the final and best commentary on Harold Ballard as a person.
 
I can't listen to it because I'm a work, but it might be this:

https://www.hhof.com/media/neilson.mp3

He implied Ballard was in hell, right?
 
Deebo said:
I can't listen to it because I'm a work, but it might be this:

https://www.hhof.com/media/neilson.mp3

He implied Ballard was in hell, right?

Not really. He was too decent for that. If I remember correctly he actually refers to Ballard watching the ceremony "from above" at which point the room laughed.
 

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