McPhee and Oates let go in Washington

[lamajama]

Can't help but think they held on to McPhee a few years too long.

Yeah he was a horrible gm.  Didn't make any good trades or UFA signings.  He could a few good players in the draft by tanking for several years.

Not sure he was "horrible". They have a pretty good record of drafting. It was coaches and OV that upset the team.

 

[Jalili]

Can't help but think they held on to McPhee a few years too long.

Yeah he was a horrible gm.  Didn't make any good trades or UFA signings.  He could a few good players in the draft by tanking for several years.

Not sure he was "horrible". They have a pretty good record of drafting. It was coaches and OV that upset the team.

Yeah I give him credit because their draft record is pretty stellar. It's just a lot of other things that I think he deserves criticism for.

 

[Kin]

Yeah I give him credit because their draft record is pretty stellar. It's just a lot of other things that I think he deserves criticism for.

Like? I agree that there are moves here or there I wouldn't have made but I really struggle to look at the Caps roster as it exists and think that there's a serious failure of construction.

 

[Boston Leaf]

A Tortorella/Ovechkin match would be oh so entertaining

 

[Rebel_1812]

Yeah I give him credit because their draft record is pretty stellar. It's just a lot of other things that I think he deserves criticism for.

Like? I agree that there are moves here or there I wouldn't have made but I really struggle to look at the Caps roster as it exists and think that there's a serious failure of construction.

Well as I said.  He got a few good players by tanking for years.  Hardly shows your really good at drafting to get a good player with a top draft pick.  He didn't make any good trades or UFA signings.  These are things that could have added to the drafted core and helped them get a championship.  The problems are greater then OV for that team.  As he said it is a team  that failed not him as a player.

 

[Kin]

Well as I said.  He got a few good players by tanking for years.  Hardly shows your really good at drafting to get a good player with a top draft pick.

I know it's futile but you're incorrect. Green, Carlson and Johansson were all good picks and all were made at the end of the 1st round. Holtby is a good pick and he was a 4th liner. Dmitri Orlov, I thought, looked pretty good this year and was a second round pick. It's a pretty good draft record all things considered.

  He didn't make any good trades or UFA signings. 

Again, untrue. The Grabovski signing was pretty good. Adding Joel Ward was good. Bringing in Halak was a good decision. Jason Chimera has been a good addition.

You can dial it back on the exaggeration. He wasn't perfect but he made quite a few good moves and built a team that was perennially in the playoffs.

 

[ZBBM]

Did I read somewhere that grabs said whether he resigns with them depends on whether Oates comes back?

His agent basically said he wanted to see what the team does with their coaching staff this offseason first. This probably doesn't shut the door on the Capitals, but Oates was a big reason why Grabovski chose Washington in the first place.

That's what I thought I had read. Now add that to the story saying he and Kule want to sign together and you're left with just two choices:

1.  Grabs and Kule will be Yotes next year or
2.  They will be two thirds of our new second line under Coach Gretzky.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Well as I said.  He got a few good players by tanking for years.  Hardly shows your really good at drafting to get a good player with a top draft pick.

I know it's futile but you're incorrect. Green, Carlson and Johansson were all good picks and all were made at the end of the 1st round. Holtby is a good pick and he was a 4th liner. Dmitri Orlov, I thought, looked pretty good this year and was a second round pick. It's a pretty good draft record all things considered.

  He didn't make any good trades or UFA signings. 

Again, untrue. The Grabovski signing was pretty good. Adding Joel Ward was good. Bringing in Halak was a good decision. Jason Chimera has been a good addition.

You can dial it back on the exaggeration. He wasn't perfect but he made quite a few good moves and built a team that was perennially in the playoffs.

Wow, 4 guys over 10 years?  A good gm should get a couple guys per draft year.  Else you might as well trade those picks for players.  The only reason the grabbo signing looks good was because it was a cheap one year deal.  Its the same reason Raymond signing looked good.  If McPhee had been able to draft, trade and sign good talent they could have built a cup winning team with Ovie.

 

[Kin]

Wow, 4 guys over 10 years?  A good gm should get a couple guys per draft year. 

Well, first of all, there's more than that. Those are just the four best. Second, that's a completely unrealistic standard. I'll wait on you showing me a single instance of a GM who drafts multiple good players per year.

 

[bustaheims]

Well, first of all, there's more than that. Those are just the four best. Second, that's a completely unrealistic standard. I'll wait on you showing me a single instance of a GM who drafts multiple good players per year.

There's that, and there's also the fact that, really, GMs are generally only heavily involved in the decisions on 1st round picks. After that, they generally defer to their scouting staff.

 

[Kin]

There's that, and there's also the fact that, really, GMs are generally only heavily involved in the decisions on 1st round picks. After that, they generally defer to their scouting staff.

Not to mention I was ignoring some of the picks McPhee made that he deserves credit for because they were made high in the draft. I buy that Ovechkin was a no-brainer but Backstrom at #4 and Alzner at #5 were still good picks that speak to his record. Also, I was ignoring good picks where the players were no longer with the team. Varlamov, Alex Semin, Filip Forsberg. There's absolutely nothing notably bad about McPhee's record in the draft.