Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
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herman said:Bender said:On mobile... can't see
Maybe this?
Edit: so pasting the twitter url now auto embeds!
Add the https:// to see this: twitter.com/msconduct/status/730581860376514561
It's on Sportsnet now: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/marner-passes-off-ohl-championship-kid-battling-cancer/
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
No problem!
Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?
Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
2004?05 ? Memorial Cup ? Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
2004?05 ? Memorial Cup ? All-Star Team
2004?05 ? OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
2004?05 ? OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
2004?05 ? OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
2004?05 ? OHL First All-Star Team
herman said:
And Perry did that in his draft+2 season, because of the NHL lockout. Marner's of course just in his D+1 season.
Heroic Shrimp
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A pretty good article about Marner:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marner-ready-help-turn-maple-leafs-around/
Excerpt from the intro:
Mitch Marner carried his bag toward the London Knights bus, convinced that his hockey career was over. It was the first year of his eligibility for the NHL draft, and somehow his talent had vanished when he needed it most. He?d only managed to score a single goal and four assists in the first 10 games of the season, and after losing that night in October 2014 to the Erie Otters, Marner was pointless in four straight games. Meanwhile, two players he?d grown up being compared to had lit the Knights up in a 6?2 win for the Otters. Connor McDavid?the consensus No. 1 pick, and most touted prospect in a decade?scored a goal and added two assists. Dylan Strome, McDavid?s linemate, had a goal and an assist, which gave him an astounding 30 points in the same amount of time it had taken Marner to score just five.
Marner met his father, Paul, before he reached the team bus for the four-and-a-half hour trip back to London, Ont.
?Dad, I suck,? he said. ?I?m so embarrassed for you and Mom. I?m no good.?
The words nearly broke Paul Marner. He knew his son had misplaced the joy he?d had every time he stepped on the ice since he was a toddler growing up just north of Toronto. And he knew there was only one place where Mitch Marner could rediscover what he?d lost. Paul followed the Knights bus through the night and met the team back in London. When Mitch walked off the bus, Paul told his son that, together, they were heading home.
Doubt has chased Marner throughout his life in hockey. As he fast-tracked through every level in the game, he ran up against outside concerns that he was too small and too weak to make it. It was almost laughable for a kid with his natural scoring ability. He?d never let it bother him. But suddenly, in the most important year of his young life, the doubt had finally caught up. And while hindsight tells us that things worked out for Marner?he was taken fourth overall by his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs in the 2015 NHL draft?he will soon face even more pressure, carrying a fair share of the franchise?s great expectations on his lean shoulders. Whether he arrives with the Leafs next season or is sent back to London for another year in junior, the question is starting to bubble among fans and critics alike: Is Marner ready? It was something, for a time, he wasn?t sure of himself.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marner-ready-help-turn-maple-leafs-around/
Excerpt from the intro:
Mitch Marner carried his bag toward the London Knights bus, convinced that his hockey career was over. It was the first year of his eligibility for the NHL draft, and somehow his talent had vanished when he needed it most. He?d only managed to score a single goal and four assists in the first 10 games of the season, and after losing that night in October 2014 to the Erie Otters, Marner was pointless in four straight games. Meanwhile, two players he?d grown up being compared to had lit the Knights up in a 6?2 win for the Otters. Connor McDavid?the consensus No. 1 pick, and most touted prospect in a decade?scored a goal and added two assists. Dylan Strome, McDavid?s linemate, had a goal and an assist, which gave him an astounding 30 points in the same amount of time it had taken Marner to score just five.
Marner met his father, Paul, before he reached the team bus for the four-and-a-half hour trip back to London, Ont.
?Dad, I suck,? he said. ?I?m so embarrassed for you and Mom. I?m no good.?
The words nearly broke Paul Marner. He knew his son had misplaced the joy he?d had every time he stepped on the ice since he was a toddler growing up just north of Toronto. And he knew there was only one place where Mitch Marner could rediscover what he?d lost. Paul followed the Knights bus through the night and met the team back in London. When Mitch walked off the bus, Paul told his son that, together, they were heading home.
Doubt has chased Marner throughout his life in hockey. As he fast-tracked through every level in the game, he ran up against outside concerns that he was too small and too weak to make it. It was almost laughable for a kid with his natural scoring ability. He?d never let it bother him. But suddenly, in the most important year of his young life, the doubt had finally caught up. And while hindsight tells us that things worked out for Marner?he was taken fourth overall by his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs in the 2015 NHL draft?he will soon face even more pressure, carrying a fair share of the franchise?s great expectations on his lean shoulders. Whether he arrives with the Leafs next season or is sent back to London for another year in junior, the question is starting to bubble among fans and critics alike: Is Marner ready? It was something, for a time, he wasn?t sure of himself.
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This was the part that stood out to me:
There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.
There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.
ZBBM
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CarltonTheBear said:
I still think his size is not a fully resolved issue. 170 is pretty light no matter how you cut it IMO. Sorry to be a cliche machine but the only way to know is when he plays against men. He might even be strong on the puck at his current weight, and he might be really good at dodging checks, but no matter what he is going to get hammered more, and for longer, than he ever has before. That concerns me.
GhostofPotvin29
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I don't know why that would necessarily be the case, the OHL isn't really known as a light hitting league so chances are he's had guys hitting him and trying to hit him hard for years. Maybe he will take more hits initially as he adjusts to a new league but he should really be no different than any number of highly skilled players in the league who aren't huge and don't seem to have an issue with body contact.
I never really looked at this before, but it's interesting to see the list of the forwards who received the most hits last season (via corsica.hockey). Unsurprisingly, it's largely forwards who engage in physical activity themselves.
Michael Raffl is listed 1st with 184 hits taken in 82 games (2.24 per game). Patric Hornqvist (169), Dustin Brown (160), Taylor Hall (156), and Nazem Kadri (156) round out the top-5. Hall's name sticks out there obviously, but he seems to be a clear outlier. Other names in the top-20 include other grind types like Antoine Roussel, Tom Wilson, Nino Niederreiter, and Alex Chiasson. It's not exactly a ton of undersized or highly talented players who shy away from the rough stuff.
Patrick Kane is listed as being on the receiving end of a hit 107 times this season. Johnny Gaudreau? 47 times. Phil Kessel? 40 times. Mats Zuccarello? 64 times.
So I mean a guy like Marner is probably going to be looking at getting hit once a game, maybe once every other game. I think he'll survive that.
Michael Raffl is listed 1st with 184 hits taken in 82 games (2.24 per game). Patric Hornqvist (169), Dustin Brown (160), Taylor Hall (156), and Nazem Kadri (156) round out the top-5. Hall's name sticks out there obviously, but he seems to be a clear outlier. Other names in the top-20 include other grind types like Antoine Roussel, Tom Wilson, Nino Niederreiter, and Alex Chiasson. It's not exactly a ton of undersized or highly talented players who shy away from the rough stuff.
Patrick Kane is listed as being on the receiving end of a hit 107 times this season. Johnny Gaudreau? 47 times. Phil Kessel? 40 times. Mats Zuccarello? 64 times.
So I mean a guy like Marner is probably going to be looking at getting hit once a game, maybe once every other game. I think he'll survive that.
LuncheonMeat
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Nik the Trik said:
I think about a guy like Kadri when he came into the league. He was pretty light, and got knocked around a lot, but he didn't get crushed every game. And I don't think he's particularly elusive, either.
And about Kessel, this is honestly the only hit that comes to mind, but it's a memorable one.
