Mitch Marner: what now?

[Kin]

If the man wants a Matthews contract, which would disrupt their roster blueprint by forcing them to cut fat they no longer have, then I'm not so sure.

It still doesn't seem like you understand what is meant by "relationship" in this context.

The premise of the negotiations thus far seems to be that the Leafs need Marner more than he needs them. This is not true. That's the nature of being a restricted free agent.

I'll be sure to tell the person who decides the Premise of The Negotiations that he got it wrong.

 

[Courtnall]

I didn't say he was a bad goal scorer.

Traditionally when people call someone a "one-dimensional player" they don't mean someone who's good at lots of things and elite at something else but someone who's actually bad at things besides their one dimension.

Marner's a very good goal scorer, elite playmaker and good enough defensively to be trusted with a penalty killing role in the playoffs. That's just not what a one-dimensional player is.

The same Penalty kill that sunk us in the playoffs? Leading the awful PK we had in the playoffs isnt something to brag about.

 

[Kin]

The same Penalty kill that sunk us in the playoffs? Leading the awful PK we had in the playoffs isnt something to brag about.

There's a chance, just a chance, that going up against the 3rd best PP in the league in the playoffs distorted that slightly but more to the point, if being on that PK is nothing to brag about what does it say about the guys who the coaches thought weren't good enough defensively to be on it?

 

[Courtnall]

The same Penalty kill that sunk us in the playoffs? Leading the awful PK we had in the playoffs isnt something to brag about.

There's a chance, just a chance, that going up against the 3rd best PP in the league in the playoffs distorted that slightly but more to the point, if being on that PK is nothing to brag about what does it say about the guys who the coaches thought weren't good enough defensively to be on it?

All Im saying is that his penalty killing skills isnt something to write home about, and in no way should increase his asking price.

 

[Kin]

All Im saying is that his penalty killing skills isnt something to write home about, and in no way should increase his asking price.

The Leafs thought he was good enough defensively to run him out on the PK for the year and the PK was roughly league average. If you don't think that's going to factor into Marner's ask, I think you're very much mistaken.

What are the Leafs going to say? "Yeah, we put you on the penalty kill but only because we're really bad at our jobs"?

 

[Zee]

Y'all read this yet?

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/09/11/the-mitch-marner-situation-is-rapidly-approaching-the-point-of-no-return/

This is the correct take.

I think the guy is being alarmist.

Me too...there really isn't much fact in there, it's mostly speculation, save the Marner's dad quote....everything else is speculation and unconfirmed stuff.

I really can't believe that Marner would turn down $11m x 7.

I didn't take any numbers seriously until I heard Bob McKenzie report it. He doesn't put stuff out there unless it's very reliable. He said that was the offer " in the 7 or 8 year and 11M universe" but because it's less money and more term than Matthews it wasn't "palatable" to Marner.  So, take it to the bank.

 

[disco]

Y'all read this yet?

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/09/11/the-mitch-marner-situation-is-rapidly-approaching-the-point-of-no-return/

The 3-yr deal from the Marner camp appears to be 3 x $10-million AAV ($5,$10,$15). Matthews makes 5 x $11.6-million AAV. So basically that's the same or even more than if Auston went down to 3 years on his. Unbelievable.

 

[Bates]

Y'all read this yet?

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/09/11/the-mitch-marner-situation-is-rapidly-approaching-the-point-of-no-return/

The 3-yr deal from the Marner camp appears to be 3 x $10-million AAV ($5,$10,$15). Matthews makes 5 x $11.6-million AAV. So basically that's the same or even more than if Auston went down to 3 years on his. Unbelievable.

A 3 year deal with that final year is essentially a 4 year deal at much more and walks Marner right into UFA. It appears the Marner camp wants it cake and to eat it too.

 

[Bender]

Y'all read this yet?

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/09/11/the-mitch-marner-situation-is-rapidly-approaching-the-point-of-no-return/

The 3-yr deal from the Marner camp appears to be 3 x $10-million AAV ($5,$10,$15). Matthews makes 5 x $11.6-million AAV. So basically that's the same or even more than if Auston went down to 3 years on his. Unbelievable.

You know what's hilarious to me? Would he be the best player on every team in the league? I think the answer is an unequivocal no. He doesn't want to be second fiddle, ok fine. But I kind of wonder to what degree Marner believes he needs to be named captain? Just going to another team won't make him the de factor leader in the room just because he has the biggest contract or puts up the most points. Does he only want to be paid the highest on the team? Ok, but how can you project that going forward? What if someone gets a contract above and beyond his own? Does he ask for a trade out of wherever he is?

I have a hard time believing this is Mitch's ego at play vs. agent negotiating garbage and possibly father's influence, but if this truly is Mitch's ego then maybe whatever he wants can only be fulfilled playing elsewhere.

 

[Kin]

What's hilarious to me is people trying to ascribe any sort of thought process to what Marner's representatives are doing beyond trying to get the best deal for their client.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/09/12/kyle-dubas-on-mitch-marner-negotiations/

Going back to Mitch, with where things stand in the market with your cap and everything, is his side being reasonable in their demands?

Dubas: I think in every negotiation, everybody thinks on their side that they?re being reasonable. I think the major argument then comes down to arguing about who is more reasonable than the other. It happens in every negotiation we have, whether it?s at home or in business or an appointment or public contract negotiations like this where there is obviously a strong public investment in the matter and people care deeply about the team.

At times, they?ve probably thought we haven?t been reasonable and I would say it?s vice versa in every negotiation that we do. I don?t try to get too tied into that. Mitch is a great player. He is a great person that comes in every day and brings great energy and enthusiasm. He has obviously had a great three years here. We are just trying to bring it to a conclusion and always keep that in mind regardless of what the noise is around the situation.

 

[disco]

My instincts tell me Mitch is a 22-yr old superstar with a close-nit family and dad is handling his career. I don't think it's Mitch's ego, it's the elder's. I think he's just a young guy doing what his dad says. ("You better start SKATIN' Mitch! I swear to f***in' God." - Paul to 8-yr-old Mitch). I actually feel a bit sorry for him. Someone with a good and kind heart that gets yelled at by their dad, that really never goes away. You get big and become a young adult, but until you really become your own man, it takes a lot to defy your father.

 

[ZBBM]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/09/12/kyle-dubas-on-mitch-marner-negotiations/

Going back to Mitch, with where things stand in the market with your cap and everything, is his side being reasonable in their demands?

Dubas: I think in every negotiation, everybody thinks on their side that they?re being reasonable. I think the major argument then comes down to arguing about who is more reasonable than the other. It happens in every negotiation we have, whether it?s at home or in business or an appointment or public contract negotiations like this where there is obviously a strong public investment in the matter and people care deeply about the team.

At times, they?ve probably thought we haven?t been reasonable and I would say it?s vice versa in every negotiation that we do. I don?t try to get too tied into that. Mitch is a great player. He is a great person that comes in every day and brings great energy and enthusiasm. He has obviously had a great three years here. We are just trying to bring it to a conclusion and always keep that in mind regardless of what the noise is around the situation.

Things are looking pretty great.

 

[Bender]

What's hilarious to me is people trying to ascribe any sort of thought process to what Marner's representatives are doing beyond trying to get the best deal for their client.

You're right. Let's not speculate on a message board half based on speculation. Lock the thread!

 

[Coco-puffs]

Y'all read this yet?

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/09/11/the-mitch-marner-situation-is-rapidly-approaching-the-point-of-no-return/

The 3-yr deal from the Marner camp appears to be 3 x $10-million AAV ($5,$10,$15). Matthews makes 5 x $11.6-million AAV. So basically that's the same or even more than if Auston went down to 3 years on his. Unbelievable.

EDIT TUrns out I was wrong.  The 50% and 35% rules only apply to back-diving deals.

 

[Kin]

What's hilarious to me is people trying to ascribe any sort of thought process to what Marner's representatives are doing beyond trying to get the best deal for their client.

You're right. Let's not speculate on a message board half based on speculation. Lock the thread!

There's a difference between speculation on say, who's going to win a hockey game based on the strength of their rosters, and playing armchair psychologist trying to figure out the unsolvable mystery of why an agent is trying to get the best deal for their client.

Like, when JFJ was GM we speculated a lot on what his moves would mean for the future of the franchise. We didn't sit around trying to to work out what the Raycroft trade said about his relationship with his father.

 

[Bender]

What's hilarious to me is people trying to ascribe any sort of thought process to what Marner's representatives are doing beyond trying to get the best deal for their client.

You're right. Let's not speculate on a message board half based on speculation. Lock the thread!

There's a difference between speculation on say, who's going to win a hockey game based on the strength of their rosters, and playing armchair psychologist trying to figure out the unsolvable mystery of why an agent is trying to get the best deal for their client.

Like, when JFJ was GM we speculated a lot on what his moves would mean for the future of the franchise. We didn't sit around trying to to work out what the Raycroft trade said about his relationship with his father.

Thanks for your opinion, I don't expect you to not give yours so I won't withhold mine. Cheers.

 

[Kin]

Thanks for your opinion, I don't expect you to not give yours so I won't withhold mine. Cheers.

One of my favourite places in the world is Speaker's Corner in London's Hyde Park. If you don't know it, it's a small corner of the park where anyone who wants can come, make themselves a little speaking stool and expound on whatever suits them. No matter what. Last time I was there I saw an African man talking about the lingering effects of Colonialism and a Bulgarian immigrant talking about Eastern European trade policy. It's been around for the better part of 200 years and it's featured such speakers as Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin and Marcus Garvey. Everyone is welcome and all opinions are brought forth to the public square.

Thing is though, there is back and forth. The pesky thing about the public square is that, sometimes, the public answers back.

What the Greeks done wrought, huh?

 

[princedpw]

still thinking trades. what about minnesota?

Zucker and Dumba for Marner and Ceci?

Add in a pick to even things out?

 

[Bates]

still thinking trades. what about minnesota?

Zucker and Dumba for Marner and Ceci?

Add in a pick to even things out?

I hope we are getting the pick and it's very high.