NHL players poll - most overrated

[maplesyrup]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down. Back in the day, this kind of thing would be dealt with among my union brothers in the parking lot. Seriously... it's rat-like and at very best, just bad form. In a union, one just should not discuss the performance of any brother or sister with anyone else other than another union member. - At least it's that way in my union. Honestly, this is the sort of thing that players should just not be discussing with the media in my opinion. If I'm Fehr, I'm acting on this.

 

[Kin]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down.

Just to hazard a guess, I'd suppose that at least 23% of the PA's membership is more or less ok with it.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

For the most part, it's just a list of guys who are in their prime or not far removed from it, whose stock has fallen (rightly or wrongly) in the last 2-4 years, and typically after signing a big contract. I don't think there's much more to it than that.  I mean, there's no way Mike Komisarek belongs on that list, nobody's thought highly of him for, what, three years now?

The survey is basically asking players to take their subjective evaluation of a player and compare it to their subjective evaluation of what the collective subjective evaluation of that player is.  How meaningful is that?

 

[ZBBM]

My point, Nik, which stands in spite one of your more belabored attempts at sophistry, is that players are more likely to diss peers who get a lot of spotlight and that's because of jealousy.  Deny this commonsense observation if you must -- and I'm sure you must.

 

[Kin]

My point, Nik, which stands in spite one of your more belabored attempts at sophistry, is that players are more likely to diss peers who get a lot of spotlight and that's because of jealousy.  Deny this commonsense observation if you must -- and I'm sure you must.

My issue is that your point isn't borne out by the list by any reasonable definition of "a lot of spotlight". Most of the players represented on that list are from teams that probably fall into a middle third of the league in terms of media footprint. The most represented team on the list is probably, aside from maybe Winnipeg, the least publicized team in Canada. Further, a lot of the players aren't even especially noteworthy for their media attention in relation to their own teammates.

The poll does not support your conclusions, no matter how rooted in common sense those conclusions may be.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Meaningless poll, oh and the Devils get next to zero coverage, small market coverage for sure. 

The Sharks get a boat load of coverage though, the only meaningful pro team here in the South Bay.  Papers, sports radio, tv, I'd say it's probably middle of the road league wide. 

 

[hockeyfan1]

I wouldn't place too much stock in this type of poll.  I wonder what the answers would have been if the fans were to have chosen most underrated/overrated?

 

[applecheeks]

S.I is a joke when it comes to reporting on hockey. True that, they report on bathing suits and mainstream U.S. sports. Hockey just hasn't been totally accepted yet south of the border. A shot in the head with the puck the other night would have taken most players out of action.....not Dion, not our captain. overrated my ass. They know not what they speak of. I really wonder if it was NHL players that took the poll.

 

[Kin]

I love the idea that this is an issue of process. Like it's crazy outlandish for the players to have some sort of voice as to the relative worth of hockey players. We all say that when they hand out the Lindsay award, right? "Who are these players with their temerity to think they know what's what? The media, now there's the folks who know the score".

I mean, I'm sure if this were an underrated poll and Grabo or Gunnar had won going away people would be acting just as butt hurt.

 

[maplesyrup]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down.

Just to hazard a guess, I'd suppose that at least 23% of the PA's membership is more or less ok with it.

Oh. So you're of the opinion the PA and unions as a whole normally require no guidance or direction. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Champ Kind]

Sorry for the duplicate post...

 

[Zee]

You know I could care less about their polls, but if it in ANY way motivates Phaneuf to be even better, then I hope they rate the entire Leafs team as overrated.

 

[Kin]

Oh. So you're of the opinion the PA and unions as a whole normally require no guidance or direction. Thanks for clearing that up.

No, I'm of the opinion that the best unions and PAs operate on the basis that direction comes from the membership.

 

[maplesyrup]

Oh. So you're of the opinion the PA and unions as a whole normally require no guidance or direction. Thanks for clearing that up.

No, I'm of the opinion that the best unions and PAs operate on the basis that direction comes from the membership.

While that's true, I think it's a pretty ridiculous thing for that 23% to have taken part in. I'm curious if SI asked a far greater sample size then 23%. It is my hope they did and the vast majority refused to comment.

 

[rdowdall]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down.

Just to hazard a guess, I'd suppose that at least 23% of the PA's membership is more or less ok with it.

What if the other 77% think Dion is great?

 

[scott evil]

On a personal level I'm satisfied with his play and love the trade that brought him here.


He's an easy target for the overrated thing because:

He's on a huge contract
He plays on what (this season not withstanding) has been a mediocre team in the self proclaimed centre of the hockey universe
He has favored winning over fighting/retaliation penalties this year
He has a booming shot that often misses the goal
He has a hollywood girlfriend
Has fancy hairdo to go with the above

And I believe he is the only NHL player with the coveted Red Bull athlete for life thing (which is typically bestowed up only the best, most distinctive, "character" athletes in the sports that Red Bull markets in). I actually think this is kind of a big deal to the other players.

Anyway, I bet he's not #1 on a different team

 

[Tigger]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this.

They probably don't like it but there's probably little they can really do about millionaire chuckleheads hiding behind SI.

I think a funnier poll would emerge if the players could only answer if the voting wasn't silent.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

You know, I'm wondering how the NHLPA feels about this. 161 union brothers commenting openly on who's overrated, providing ammo (as small as it may or may not be) for teams to keep some of these guys salaries down.

Just to hazard a guess, I'd suppose that at least 23% of the PA's membership is more or less ok with it.

What if the other 77% think Dion is great?

I don't know about that, but at least 77% of them are smart enough to not participate.

 

[Kin]

What if the other 77% think Dion is great?

What if, like, our whole entire universe is just one atom in the fingernail of a much larger being?

 

[Kin]

While that's true, I think it's a pretty ridiculous thing for that 23% to have taken part in. I'm curious if SI asked a far greater sample size then 23%. It is my hope they did and the vast majority refused to comment.

Not that I buy the idea that this poll will have much to do with salary negotiations but I think that in an industry where pay is largely performance based and there's a set pool of salary there's probably an interest on the player's side to have players properly rated and paid.