If there was evidence of HOF players we don't know about taking steroids it would add much more credibility to my argument. I get that. Still, it would be foolish to deny that in all likelihood there are cheaters in the hall.Nik Pollock said:Justin said:So you don't agree that in all likelihood there are players in the hall who have taken steroids?
I don't think there's evidence either way and, absent that evidence, I'm not going to base any positions off of conjecture.
Justin said:Anyways, all I'm saying is Bonds and Clemens et al shouldn't be penalized for doing something that a) everyone was doing and b) not illegal in baseball at the time. They did take steroids, but they still played better than all the other players on steroids. They were the best of the pack which regardless included juicers and clean players.
Well, a) not everyone was using steroids and b) if they were the best of a pack that included clean players that seems to validate my a).
I simply take the position that Bonds and Clemens are still two of the greatest players of their generation regardless of their steroid use (which was not illegal at the time). It's also not like steroids were frowned upon and seen as morally wrong and cheating at the time. Steroids were encouraged from the top down, by executives, coaches, trainers, and players. Many players were using steroids, and Bonds and Clemens were the best of their time. Steroids don't erase their accomplishments, and although they're both dicks and liars, they were great players. They belong.