Nylander is (possibly) getting called up

[sickbeast]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-expected-to-recall-willaim-nylander-soon-after-trade-deadline/

This is a really stupid move IMO.  It burns a year off his entry level contract plus it works against the tank.  Not only that but he is a small player and he's likely to get hurt or concussed again.

 

[Bender]

How is it likely he gets hurt or concussed in the NHL vs the AHL? If anything the A is more of a goon league in comparison. Take off the kid gloves.

 

[Highlander]

If we draft Matthews then who is our number one centre.  Wouldnt mind to see Matthews, Nylander, Kadri, Holland as our Centres.
Also I do agree with CTB on his post. No the leafs are not going to bring Willie up for ratings but for his development (if they want to), certainly won't hurt the ratings in any case.
Also agreed with Bender is you can't keep the kid in a crate all his life. As likely to be injured in the AHL as at the World Juniours for arguments sake.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Cox may very well be right but let's just keep in mind that this isn't official yet at all.

 

[Kin]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that.   

 

[sickbeast]

Why not just let him play the maximum number of games that he can for the Leafs without burning a year off his entry level contract though, and then just send him back down?  This seems really stupid to me.  It's a cap league.  They are just wasting a bunch of cap space with stupid moves like this.  I just don't get it at all.

 

[L K]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that. 

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

 

[rdowdall]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that. 

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

Also someone posted in the Sheldon Keefe thread under prospects that Nylander didn't seem to have the same compete level.  Could be the concussion, or it could be that he is bored in the league he is in.

 

[Kin]

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

Yeah, I just don't see a real downside outside of the ELC stuff and I just don't know if that's a real concern.

 

[L K]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that. 

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

Also someone posted in the Sheldon Keefe thread under prospects that Nylander didn't seem to have the same compete level.  Could be the concussion, or it could be that he is bored in the league he is in.

While I appreciate individual feedback, it's still the feedback of a poster on an internet forum.  I'm guilty of it when I provide updates on the OHL/Knights players or if I go to a game.  It was feedback on a single game.  A 10 goal game from the team.  That's not really the best way to evaluate the "compete level"....and man do I hate that concept.  Compete level is relative to the player.  Nylander isn't a bump and grind player.

 

[rdowdall]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that. 

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

Also someone posted in the Sheldon Keefe thread under prospects that Nylander didn't seem to have the same compete level.  Could be the concussion, or it could be that he is bored in the league he is in.

While I appreciate individual feedback, it's still the feedback of a poster on an internet forum.  I'm guilty of it when I provide updates on the OHL/Knights players or if I go to a game.  It was feedback on a single game.  A 10 goal game from the team.  That's not really the best way to evaluate the "compete level"....and man do I hate that concept.  Compete level is relative to the player.  Nylander isn't a bump and grind player.

I think it depends on what you mean by compete level.  For me compete level is the fire to change the outcome of the game.  Not necessarily running around throwing hits, but that determination to make an impact.  I think of that game where Sundin had 7 points against Florida.  He didn't want to lose that game.  I think of Yzerman playing on a broken leg. 

Your right, it's one game, which was a blowout.  I shouldn't read anything in to it.  I get concerned with players that have had concussions.

 

[Joe S.]

I kinda don't care either way... But don't you want to give the Marlies the best chance to win?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I kinda don't care either way... But don't you want to give the Marlies the best chance to win?

You would still make him eligible to play for the Marlies in the playoffs. They'd survive without him until then.

 

[Kin]

I kinda don't care either way... But don't you want to give the Marlies the best chance to win?

They've got a 16 point lead on the #1 seed with 20 games to play so that seems pretty safe and Nylander can get sent back down for the playoffs. 

 

[Joe S.]

I kinda don't care either way... But don't you want to give the Marlies the best chance to win?

They've got a 16 point lead on the #1 seed with 20 games to play so that seems pretty safe and Nylander can get sent back down for the playoffs.

I hadn't thought about that... For some reason I thought he'd miss the playoffs if he in the NHL.

 

[sickbeast]

I will say this again:  It is completely pointless for the Leafs to burn off a year from Nylander's entry level contract.  I hope they don't do it.  Hopefully Cox didn't have legit information.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

How many NHl games could he play wthout burning a year of his ELC - or would it go after even 1 NHl game?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I will say this again:  It is completely pointless for the Leafs to burn off a year from Nylander's entry level contract.  I hope they don't do it.  Hopefully Cox didn't have legit information.

I think a number of people have challenged the notion that it is pointless or that it would be a bad decision.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.

More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that. 

Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.

Also someone posted in the Sheldon Keefe thread under prospects that Nylander didn't seem to have the same compete level.  Could be the concussion, or it could be that he is bored in the league he is in.

While I appreciate individual feedback, it's still the feedback of a poster on an internet forum.  I'm guilty of it when I provide updates on the OHL/Knights players or if I go to a game.  It was feedback on a single game.  A 10 goal game from the team.  That's not really the best way to evaluate the "compete level"....and man do I hate that concept.  Compete level is relative to the player.  Nylander isn't a bump and grind player.

I think it depends on what you mean by compete level.  For me compete level is the fire to change the outcome of the game.  Not necessarily running around throwing hits, but that determination to make an impact.  I think of that game where Sundin had 7 points against Florida.  He didn't want to lose that game.  I think of Yzerman playing on a broken leg. 

Your right, it's one game, which was a blowout.  I shouldn't read anything in to it.  I get concerned with players that have had concussions.

But it's basically impossible to determine a players "fire to change the outcome of a game" or at least in any consistent way. 

 

[sickbeast]

I will say this again:  It is completely pointless for the Leafs to burn off a year from Nylander's entry level contract.  I hope they don't do it.  Hopefully Cox didn't have legit information.

I think a number of people have challenged the notion that it is pointless or that it would be a bad decision.

I have not heard one good reason.