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Jolly good show chaps said:How many NHl games could he play wthout burning a year of his ELC - or would it go after even 1 NHl game?
That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
sickbeast said:That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
Potvin29 said:Significantly Insignificant said:L K said:Significantly Insignificant said:L K said:Nik the Trik said:If it happens I'm generally pro the move. We've talked on the board before about how burning a year of the ELC might actually be better for signing him to an extension when the time comes and I don't think the AHL is an inherently safer situation in terms of health.
More over though I think it could be really good for Nylander's development. He's spent the whole year in a league he's almost certainly too good for. Being in the NHL next year seems like an inevitability. It might be good for him to find out he still needs to put in a lot of work to be good at the NHL level. We want him dedicated to getting stronger over the off-season. Getting knocked on his butt by NHLers could help with that.
Hypothetically if the Leafs are also going to have a big influx of youth - Leipsic, Leivo, Nylander, Marner(?), Matthews(?), having a little more NHL experience might not be a terrible thing. Nylander is having a better season than Leipsic and they are both in their 2nd professional season.
Also someone posted in the Sheldon Keefe thread under prospects that Nylander didn't seem to have the same compete level. Could be the concussion, or it could be that he is bored in the league he is in.
While I appreciate individual feedback, it's still the feedback of a poster on an internet forum. I'm guilty of it when I provide updates on the OHL/Knights players or if I go to a game. It was feedback on a single game. A 10 goal game from the team. That's not really the best way to evaluate the "compete level"....and man do I hate that concept. Compete level is relative to the player. Nylander isn't a bump and grind player.
I think it depends on what you mean by compete level. For me compete level is the fire to change the outcome of the game. Not necessarily running around throwing hits, but that determination to make an impact. I think of that game where Sundin had 7 points against Florida. He didn't want to lose that game. I think of Yzerman playing on a broken leg.
Your right, it's one game, which was a blowout. I shouldn't read anything in to it. I get concerned with players that have had concussions.
But it's basically impossible to determine a players "fire to change the outcome of a game" or at least in any consistent way.
I did give a reason. It wastes a lot of money and it wastes a lot of cap space.Potvin29 said:sickbeast said:That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
Well they haven't done it yet for one. And it's been pointed out that burning a year off the ELC (and he wouldn't be burning a year towards UFA) could be beneficial when it comes to re-signing him off his ELC. Also as others have pointed out, it may be beneficial for his development to get time in the NHL and get a taste of what it is like for next season and beyond.
You haven't provided a reason why it's bad for the team other than saying burning a year off the ELC is bad, full stop.
sickbeast said:I did give a reason. It wastes a lot of money and it wastes a lot of cap space.Potvin29 said:sickbeast said:That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
Well they haven't done it yet for one. And it's been pointed out that burning a year off the ELC (and he wouldn't be burning a year towards UFA) could be beneficial when it comes to re-signing him off his ELC. Also as others have pointed out, it may be beneficial for his development to get time in the NHL and get a taste of what it is like for next season and beyond.
You haven't provided a reason why it's bad for the team other than saying burning a year off the ELC is bad, full stop.
sickbeast said:That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
McGarnagle said:1) I'd strongly doubt Nylander at this stage in his career is going to seriously compromise a tank
2) perhaps a real benefit of a call up would be to get a taste of the level he needs to train to over the summer, especially since the likely expectation is that he'll start with the leafs next season
3) if they want to, they can send him back at <9 games.
And selfishly, I'd like something of interest to watch in leafland until the playoffs.
Loud noises? You can hear me? I do see some logic in some of your guys explanations however I think my tank now and save cap space argument is much better. I don't agree with you guys. Call that loud noises if you want. I'm a quiet guy actually.Patrick said:sickbeast said:I did give a reason. It wastes a lot of money and it wastes a lot of cap space.Potvin29 said:sickbeast said:That's still not a good reason. The Leafs don't need Nylander right now. They are trying to tank. There is no point to this. They are burning a year off his ELC for no good reason at all.Joe S. said:http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/1/11/why-your-team-is-going-to-keep-burning-entry-level-contract-years-so-stop-complaining-about-it-already
Well they haven't done it yet for one. And it's been pointed out that burning a year off the ELC (and he wouldn't be burning a year towards UFA) could be beneficial when it comes to re-signing him off his ELC. Also as others have pointed out, it may be beneficial for his development to get time in the NHL and get a taste of what it is like for next season and beyond.
You haven't provided a reason why it's bad for the team other than saying burning a year off the ELC is bad, full stop.
See that's the thing, people have shown you, very reasonably how that might not be the case.
Your response has essentially been "LOUD NOISES" you've provided no rebuttal when presented with an alternative possibility.
herman said:Re: Nylander's 'compete level' from the game I saw: it was a function of my elevated expectations, score effects, and small sample size. Nylander will be more than fine wherever he plays. There were moments where he completely controlled a shift (see his goal) and I thought he'd do it more often. The second period was PK fest. The third period was already overkill.
Significantly Insignificant said:herman said:Re: Nylander's 'compete level' from the game I saw: it was a function of my elevated expectations, score effects, and small sample size. Nylander will be more than fine wherever he plays. There were moments where he completely controlled a shift (see his goal) and I thought he'd do it more often. The second period was PK fest. The third period was already overkill.
Ah, I must have misunderstood. The way I read it, it sounded like he looked disinterested.