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CarltonTheBear said:Lots and lots of GMs have said this and then went back on it. But I feel like Dubas is a lot more likely to stick to it than most.
cabber24 said:I don't get the NHLPA comment? In order for it to be processed, they need it by 4:30?
Frycer14 said:I'm really not a fan of this, assuming he said it.
For the player sure, but the overall reaction of the market it wouldn't be the same. Win a Cup in Toronto and the entire country knows who you are, you're a celebrity and legend especially in Toronto for all time. Win a Cup in Arizona, would most people on the street even recognize you the week after? I doubt it.Nik the Trik said:I am very happy that Nylander is staying in Toronto but I do sort of feel like Leafs fans would be wise to not lean too heavily on the idea that winning in Toronto is somehow better than winning somewhere else. I feel like that takes us uncomfortably close to being the sort of caricature some people say we are. It's the Cup, if you win it it's probably pretty terrific no matter where.
Zee said:For the player sure, but the overall reaction of the market it wouldn't be the same. Win a Cup in Toronto and the entire country knows who you are, you're a celebrity and legend especially in Toronto for all time. Win a Cup in Arizona, would most people on the street even recognize you the week after? I doubt it.
Well, we've never seen a Cup winner in our lifetimes (apologies to the way older than me guys in here) so I can only imagine how popular the players would be if we ever won. A buddy of mine, total geek who knows nothing about hockey and doesn't follow it at all, even he knows who Sundin is because of those conference finals runs the Leafs had back in the 2000sCarltonTheBear said:Zee said:For the player sure, but the overall reaction of the market it wouldn't be the same. Win a Cup in Toronto and the entire country knows who you are, you're a celebrity and legend especially in Toronto for all time. Win a Cup in Arizona, would most people on the street even recognize you the week after? I doubt it.
I think that's already more or less how the markets treat the players though. Winning a Cup wouldn't really change how many people in Toronto/Canada know who Willy Nylander is.
Nik the Trik said:Frycer14 said:I'm really not a fan of this, assuming he said it.
I don't think it matters much. The odds of Dubas ever wanting to move Nylander are probably pretty low and any change can be communicated to Nylander beforehand.
Zee said:For the player sure, but the overall reaction of the market it wouldn't be the same. Win a Cup in Toronto and the entire country knows who you are, you're a celebrity and legend especially in Toronto for all time. Win a Cup in Arizona, would most people on the street even recognize you the week after? I doubt it.
Frycer14 said:I think it matters a great deal. A lot can happen in 6 years, and any "change that can be communicated later" is pretty cavalier way of saying that dubas can break his word without consequence to his reputation and the organization's by proxy.
Frycer14 said:And on top of this, every other player coming out of entry level will attempt to leverage the same commitment, since it's been on the table once. Either Dubas screwed up by offering it, or screwed up royally with Nylander announcing it.
Shanahan: "I've temporarily replaced Kyle as GM as he's taking care of family issues. Oh and I've traded Nylander. Kyle will resume GM duties next week"CarltonTheBear said:https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1069705361874132992
Lots and lots of GMs have said this and then went back on it. But I feel like Dubas is a lot more likely to stick to it than most.
Frycer14 said:I think it matters a great deal. A lot can happen in 6 years, and any "change that can be communicated later" is pretty cavalier way of saying that dubas can break his word without consequence to his reputation and the organization's by proxy.
Frycer14 said:And on top of this, every other player coming out of entry level will attempt to leverage the same commitment, since it's been on the table once.
CarltonTheBear said:Frycer14 said:And on top of this, every other player coming out of entry level will attempt to leverage the same commitment, since it's been on the table once. Either Dubas screwed up by offering it, or screwed up royally with Nylander announcing it.
I mean yeah he's going to give the same commitment to Matthews or Marner, but it's not like he's going to make that promise to Kapanen and Johnsson.
Nik the Trik said:So Kapanen is going to think that because he's friends with Nylander, Dubas is somehow obligated to prize him as highly as Nylander?
Frycer14 said:Absolutely he's not. But he's now negotiating with players who now have more to negotiate back with.
Frycer14 said:As an aside, has a player in the NHL ever come out of an entry level deal announcing a verbal no trade clause as part of his offer before?
CarltonTheBear said:I would say that these sort of promises/guarantees are probably more common than you'd think for star RFAs who aren't eligible for NTCs yet. Maybe you can argue that Nylander shouldn't have said anything, but I'd assume he was answering a pretty direct question about whether he was worried he would be traded and it's not exactly like Dubas hasn't said he had no intention of trading Nylander like a dozen times since he became GM.
Nik the Trik said:I am very happy that Nylander is staying in Toronto but I do sort of feel like Leafs fans would be wise to not lean too heavily on the idea that winning in Toronto is somehow better than winning somewhere else. I feel like that takes us uncomfortably close to being the sort of caricature some people say we are. It's the Cup, if you win it it's probably pretty terrific no matter where.