Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
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Lee-bo said:
I don't think the Penguins have any interest in trading Malkin whatsoever. Like at all. However, if for whatever reason he demanded out or something like that, I'm sure Pittsburgh would consider some sort of combination of Kessel+JVR+Rielly+Nylander+Kadri offer. Question is, how much is too much for us?
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we are not in a good position to trade a bunch of assets for Malkin. He would be an island here.. No one to help carry the load.He'd probably get cranky and fail
Chev-boyar-sky
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CarltonTheBear said:
My guess is they'd move him for JVR, Rielly, Nylander and Kadri.
At that point though, it wouldn't make sense for the Leafs IMO.
Highlander
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His knees are to wonky and get injured far to often. To many years on his bod
Chev-boyar-sky
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I'm starting to think Bernier needs to be moved.
He's pretty good, but I'm not sure where he is contract-wise/talent-wise vs. where the team is in terms of both talent and cap space make sense for either really. I also question whether he's a good enough #1 going forward which matters as his contracts become more expensive.
Reimer has decent starter #'s over his career, and can be had for less money ($2.3M for another year). With an improved team defense he should be ok, and if not we're looking at better draft picks for a couple of years with minimal $ and term tied up in a #1. I fully acknowledge that he's been poor for the better part of a season and a half, but I wonder if that it's as much to do with being a backup and playing less as it is a deterioration of his skills.
Bernier may fit in EDM/ARI/MIN/SJ/PHI/CAR/CGY. Get some good prospects and picks and free up some cap space (the raise he's due mainly). Target a goalie prospect like Subban or Visentin in the mean time (or maybe they believe in Bibeau/Gibson/Sparks).
He's pretty good, but I'm not sure where he is contract-wise/talent-wise vs. where the team is in terms of both talent and cap space make sense for either really. I also question whether he's a good enough #1 going forward which matters as his contracts become more expensive.
Reimer has decent starter #'s over his career, and can be had for less money ($2.3M for another year). With an improved team defense he should be ok, and if not we're looking at better draft picks for a couple of years with minimal $ and term tied up in a #1. I fully acknowledge that he's been poor for the better part of a season and a half, but I wonder if that it's as much to do with being a backup and playing less as it is a deterioration of his skills.
Bernier may fit in EDM/ARI/MIN/SJ/PHI/CAR/CGY. Get some good prospects and picks and free up some cap space (the raise he's due mainly). Target a goalie prospect like Subban or Visentin in the mean time (or maybe they believe in Bibeau/Gibson/Sparks).
Chev-boyar-sky
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Actually on further reflection this team needs to tread water/suck for the next 5 years.
Clarkson isn't going anywhere and I don't see them being competitive with him on the team. There's already too much $ tied up in the roster.
I'd keep Kadri, Rielly, Reimer, Nylander and all picks prospects. Probably JVR too. Might as well keep Gardiner and see if he can develop as hoped.
Trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kessel, Bernier, Bozak and Lupul (only for full value though) over the next year or 2.
Help out cap strapped teams with contracts that run as long as Clarkson (Richards) by taking the player and picks/prospects for our trouble.
Run with an overpriced roster mixed with ELC players and young prospects outside of "the core".
Draft well for 5 years and decide on older core players near that time. Spend $ wisely in years 3-5 on trades UFA's.
That's about it.
A re-build, but not a full re-build are in order.
Clarkson isn't going anywhere and I don't see them being competitive with him on the team. There's already too much $ tied up in the roster.
I'd keep Kadri, Rielly, Reimer, Nylander and all picks prospects. Probably JVR too. Might as well keep Gardiner and see if he can develop as hoped.
Trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kessel, Bernier, Bozak and Lupul (only for full value though) over the next year or 2.
Help out cap strapped teams with contracts that run as long as Clarkson (Richards) by taking the player and picks/prospects for our trouble.
Run with an overpriced roster mixed with ELC players and young prospects outside of "the core".
Draft well for 5 years and decide on older core players near that time. Spend $ wisely in years 3-5 on trades UFA's.
That's about it.
A re-build, but not a full re-build are in order.
OldTimeHockey
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What's the 'full value' on Lupul though? For another player that only plays 40% of the games? Or can you get away with 40% of the talent?
Chev-boyar-sky
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OldTimeHockey said:
Not necessarily a player.
Could be a 1st and freeing up 5M a year for the next few years.
All I mean is, you don't just trade those guys for a 7th rounder for the sake of trading someone (unless it's Clarkson for a 7th rounder).
Chev-boyar-sky
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I'm still hoping on Kessel to the Isles for Reinhart and Strome (maybe a 2nd too....), then if we finish 5-8 we take Dylan Strome and have a couple talented brothers to build around.
Unless we win the lottery, that is, or Marner is still available when we're on the clock.
Unless we win the lottery, that is, or Marner is still available when we're on the clock.
Chev-boyar-sky said:
The clarkson deal is truly soul-sucking. Even if we are to get a couple of studs in the next couple of years in the draft, their good rookie-scale price performance will be completely undone by the 5 million loadstone that is Clarkson's contract for 5 more years.
By the way, I haven't been watching the leafs over the last month or so. How are they doing?
Hampreacher
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Kessel you do not trade but you need to have a #1 center, not Bozak. You cannot trade Van Reimsdyk. As for Clarkson yes we maybe overpaid but use him right and he can be effective. He would be more effective on a playoff team. Given a couple of years might be able to trade him. Under the CBA now buy outs hamper the team cap wise for years.
I'm not too worried about Clarkson's contract.
It was a very unwise move by Nonis to sign him in the first place, but as it stands, the Leafs will still need to hit the cap floor during the upcoming tear-down/rebuild.
And that's a thing that's happening, right? And we're all onboard that it needs to happen and will happen. Including MLSE. Ok, then...
If the Leafs are successful in dismantling the current roster and getting maximum value for the veterans, whatever that turns out to be, they will be able to draft high for a few seasons and sign some UFAs that they can ship out at the deadline, or keep if they are contributing to the development of prospects.
Clarkson can be along for the ride during this process. By the time the Leafs are turning into a rising team with contender potential, his contract will be expiring. If there's NHL expansion during this time, maybe the Leafs get rid of him that way.
It was a very unwise move by Nonis to sign him in the first place, but as it stands, the Leafs will still need to hit the cap floor during the upcoming tear-down/rebuild.
And that's a thing that's happening, right? And we're all onboard that it needs to happen and will happen. Including MLSE. Ok, then...
If the Leafs are successful in dismantling the current roster and getting maximum value for the veterans, whatever that turns out to be, they will be able to draft high for a few seasons and sign some UFAs that they can ship out at the deadline, or keep if they are contributing to the development of prospects.
Clarkson can be along for the ride during this process. By the time the Leafs are turning into a rising team with contender potential, his contract will be expiring. If there's NHL expansion during this time, maybe the Leafs get rid of him that way.
caveman said:
If the Leafs continue to do things the hard way as they have been; expecting to somehow contend within, I don't know, a year or two by acquiring let's say Eric Staal, then Clarkson's contract would be a problem.
But if they finally accept reality and realize that the goal of contending is the better part of a decade away, the Clarkson contract will be an unfortunate but ultimately minor part of Leaf history.
Hampreacher
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I have long said that the boat anchors have been the buyouts. Buyouts from bad decisions made. The Leafs need to stay away from that. I think Clarkson can be more effectively if they use him correctly. Now may be the time to have him crashing the net distracing the goalies and defence. He ma be asolid playoff performer if leafs ever make the playoffs. o buy him out undercurrent CBA would make him a boat anchor for years to come.
Hampreacher said:
Yeah, buyouts really do tell a tale of woe for the Leafs going back over the past decade.
Someone analyzing the Leafs during this period, even if they knew nothing about hockey, could look at their buyout history alone and accurately conclude that something is very wrong with the way decisions have been made.
Rebel_1812
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corsi fenwick said:
From that line of thinking I guess Nonis will be the latest victim of lynch mob scorn.
bustaheims
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corsi fenwick said:
Seriously. The best defence Nonis has right now might that he's not as bas as JFJ was - and that's a pretty thin defence. I get that some people want to put the focus on the players, but, shouldn't that blame also fall on the guy who who brought those players here? The only players on the team who weren't either brought in by or signed to their current contracts by Nonis are Rielly, JvR, Granberg and Holzer.