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Deebo said:Can't lose'em all.
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Deebo said:Can't lose'em all.
Deebo said:Montreal is within 1 point.
Britishbulldog said:Woohoo!! Just finished watching the Montreal/NYI game and they went to a shootout with NYI winning. That means their are both 1 point behind the Leafs and the Sens are one point ahead of Boston again!!
Manson said:Britishbulldog said:Woohoo!! Just finished watching the Montreal/NYI game and they went to a shootout with NYI winning. That means their are both 1 point behind the Leafs and the Sens are one point ahead of Boston again!!
Wrong on both counts.
Bender said:Wendel's Fist said:Bender said:Wendel's Fist said:Bender said:Wendel's Fist said:The sad reality with the Leafs is, we're not going to be winning a cup within the next 10 years.....minimum.
There are teams that are ahead of us on the NHL and AHL levels at the same time so how in the hell are we going to beat them anytime soon?
Phil Kessel and Joe Colborne were expendable in Boston and the Bruins still won the cup. Boston has Tyler Seguin to build around when their team slows down due to age. We are building our team around Kessel and hoping that Colborne might be a second line center someday. It's kind of pathetic when we couldn't win one game against Boston this year. Never mind playoff pressure.
Edmonton's team will kick the youth out of our team in a couple of years too. They actually have a first line in the making.
Unless the Leafs tank for this and a couple more years, I just don't see how we're ever going to win a cup.
It's nice that Burke isn't interested in draft picks because he doesn't want to wait. So........what else are we doing right now other than waiting Burkie?
Get that team fired up to win so we can look back on those March/April wins forever as the best days of our lives.
The anti-tank nation must be beaming with pride for all those useless end of the year wins from the past 7 years. Those wins really did carry through to the next season. Do they do anything for you now?
At this point, I'd have no shame in the Leafs dressing up anybody off the street to finish off the season and claiming that the rest of the team had the flu.
Just to be fair, I think it was perfectly fine to be excited about last year's team with a goaltender playing like James did for as long as he did and hope to get in. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.
It's pretty funny though, it's as if people's views on the team aren't nuanced to some extent. Believe it or not it's not all YAY BURKE, and BURKE'S A DOUCHE. I wanted them to tank in 2008 and 2009 in order to get better picks.
At the same time I don't think you can really chastise people for wanting the team to be a success. It's not like their views make a difference in how the team is run one way or another. I happen to be a little less bleak in my outlook on the team in general, but I don't really see why you should have an issue with that.
It was perfectly fine to hope for the playoffs last year, if you didn't want the Leafs to ever win a cup.
Again, I don't get how that helped us now. Were we much better this year because of it?
Burke himself said that he doesn't just want to get into the playoffs and get knocked out right away. So.......what are we doing because if we get in, we're not going anywhere.
We can't even get into the playoffs and pretending like you can band-aid a team to a Stanley Cup is delusional.
Good thing Burke wasn't interested in waiting 5 years to turn this team around when he first got here. He needed immediate results.
Going on year 5 and fans still want a Stamkos without bottoming out. It just doesn't work out that way.
Tampa's won a cup before the Leafs have in the past 10 years and it wasn't because they were at the top or middle of the standings when they first came in.
They still managed to get Stamkos after winning that cup and we have Tyler Bozak. GO LEAFS GO!!
Clearly we are at an impasse. You also didn't answer the question: how does the way I cheer for my team impact you or the way the team is run? I want the Leafs to win a Cup and I see absolutely no correlation between cheering for them to make it in last year and not wanting them to be long term contenders.
Its funny because I feel like you have this fatalistic view on our team like no players that we have at present have capacity for improvement. Yes, maybe a proper rebuild would be better. But we have guys like Joe Colborne, Jake Gardiner, Carter Ashton etc. now and I see no reason not to cheer them on. What's done is done.
Do I want the team to tank this year? Admittedly, yes. Will I actually ROOT for them to lose? No, and again, I dont see why youve taken it upon yourself to judge fans like myself because our views differ. We can debate viewpoints all we want, but to me your jumping to conclusions on "types of fans" is a bit unsettling, especially when my opinion of the team has no real impact at all.
You never posed a question in your post. Do you see a question mark at the end of anything you said?? I don't.
How am I supposed to answer a question that you didn't ask??
We're at an impasse with reality, Bender. We either bottom out and get players like Crosby, Stamkos, Hall........or we try to make the playoffs year after year and get whatever we can.
All those towns went through worse times than we have and they're better off now. We've never been at the basement. (except for when we did all we could for Boston to get Seguin)
I don't know how old you are but there was a time when Detroit was the worst team in the league for a very long time. It was almost a joke to have the Leafs play them.
That's why they're so good now.
To answer the question that you never asked............cheer the team all you want. I'm just tired of the same old.
You didn't answer my question..............how are we going to beat Tampa with Stamkos as their building block....never mind Crosby being all of 24 years old and Malkin as his sidekick who's 25?
At what time are we going to beat them with what we have with just hanging on every year and hoping for a playoff birth?
Nazem Kadri, Joe Colborne and Matt Frattin??? Seriously?
Ok how about this: you made no counterpoint to it, when it was clearly something we were debating. I also clearly asked the question in the second post but you seem to have skirted around the issue.
Youre making judgments on fans based on the way they cheer for the team. I don't think it really makes a difference one way or another if they cheer for the playoffs or cheer for a tank for a bunch of years, management will run the team the way they see fit.
And for the record I have no idea what you're arguing against because I am in favour of a rebuild. But at the same time there are examples that don't fit your mold. The St. Louis Blues - one of the best teams in the NHL right now - didn't draft a boat load of their players. Detroit hasn't tanked in almost 20 years (didn't need to tank to get Lidstrom), Boston hasn't REALLY tanked. Yeah they're better set up for the future but they didn't win BECAUSE of Seguin. The cornerstone of that team is Chara - a ufa - and I would argue that the team wasn't ready to compete when they brought him in. Their tanking early on in the decade didn't really impact them, they made shrewd moves and their prospects like Marchand, Krejci and Bergeron (none of which who were picked in the first round) really developed.
Scoff as much as you want at our prospects but I see no reason to not hope that players like Kadri, Colborne, Frattin etc al. develop into legitimate hockey players like those three in Boston.
So you can witch until you have one foot in the grave, personally I'll cheer for my team, even during rough seasons knowing that a team I cheered for didn't cause any undue suffering like it seems to have caused in a few others.
CarltonTheBear said:Not again!!!!!!
Potvin29 said:I'm not sure why Kessel is disregarded but Seguin is considered a great building block, it's not like Kessel is past his prime, nor has Seguin demonstrated he is in the Stamkos-level.
Potvin29 said:What about the teams that have had top 5 picks (some of them multiple times) and still have no success to show for it?
I would love a top pick, but I would love more to have a very well-built team. Tampa has Stamkos, but they're showing it means nothing unless you can get pieces like goaltending. Washington bottomed out and still are having trouble making the playoffs.
It's all well and good to only look at the instances where a top pick ended up winning a Cup with the team, but it's so much more than just getting a top pick.
I'm not sure why Kessel is disregarded but Seguin is considered a great building block, it's not like Kessel is past his prime, nor has Seguin demonstrated he is in the Stamkos-level.
Wendel's Fist said:Potvin29 said:What about the teams that have had top 5 picks (some of them multiple times) and still have no success to show for it?
I would love a top pick, but I would love more to have a very well-built team. Tampa has Stamkos, but they're showing it means nothing unless you can get pieces like goaltending. Washington bottomed out and still are having trouble making the playoffs.
It's all well and good to only look at the instances where a top pick ended up winning a Cup with the team, but it's so much more than just getting a top pick.
I'm not sure why Kessel is disregarded but Seguin is considered a great building block, it's not like Kessel is past his prime, nor has Seguin demonstrated he is in the Stamkos-level.
Well, what about teams that won the cup in the past ten years with a high draft pick?
Kessel and Colborne were expendable to Boston and they still won a cup. How are we going to beat them sooner or later?
Those same two players are what we have our future hopes on.
You would honestly rather have Kessel as your building block over Seguin? Every time Tyler plays the Leafs, he's on fire. Kessel barely shows up against Boston. Are you going to tell me that it doesn't get on your nerves when Seguin gets his second goal of the night agains the Leafs and Kessel doesn't do much?
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I just don't see the reality that you do.
Potvin29 said:Wendel's Fist said:Potvin29 said:What about the teams that have had top 5 picks (some of them multiple times) and still have no success to show for it?
I would love a top pick, but I would love more to have a very well-built team. Tampa has Stamkos, but they're showing it means nothing unless you can get pieces like goaltending. Washington bottomed out and still are having trouble making the playoffs.
It's all well and good to only look at the instances where a top pick ended up winning a Cup with the team, but it's so much more than just getting a top pick.
I'm not sure why Kessel is disregarded but Seguin is considered a great building block, it's not like Kessel is past his prime, nor has Seguin demonstrated he is in the Stamkos-level.
Well, what about teams that won the cup in the past ten years with a high draft pick?
Kessel and Colborne were expendable to Boston and they still won a cup. How are we going to beat them sooner or later?
Those same two players are what we have our future hopes on.
You would honestly rather have Kessel as your building block over Seguin? Every time Tyler plays the Leafs, he's on fire. Kessel barely shows up against Boston. Are you going to tell me that it doesn't get on your nerves when Seguin gets his second goal of the night agains the Leafs and Kessel doesn't do much?
I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I just don't see the reality that you do.
What about the teams that won the Cup in the past ten years with a high draft pick? I'm guessing almost every team in the league will have a high draft pick on their team (we have two top 5 picks on ours).
We had a captain and #1 overall on our roster for 13 years and it didn't result in a Cup. Like I said, I care more about building a strong team than getting worked up over a top pick. I think it is more important, and I think you can win without a top pick, but you can't win without a solid, deep roster.
As far as I'm aware, Kessel was deemed "expendable" because the Bruins were close to the cap and they couldn't come to terms on a new contract. I don't think it was a matter of "we can't win with this guy", and I don't think keeping him would have prevented that team from winning the Cup. I mean, the best player in NHL history was traded and the team still won a Cup!
If we're a poor team in your eyes, then why should I be impressed if Seguin looks good against us?
I'm bothered by our lack of success against Boston, but only so far as it is a lack of success against a divisional opponent who is a rival - but I would be upset if we were winless against any team (like Florida). It's compounded because we play Boston so often, but we beat them a few times the year they won the Cup with pretty similar rosters as this season - we just crapped the bed against them this season, plain and simple (in my opinion).
Fanatic said:If the season ended today the Leafs would finish 11th in the East and have the 9th pick overal.
Rotten season and rotten draft pick.
TML fan said:What's the difference if you draft them yourself or if you trade for them?
I think goaltending matters more anyway if you're building your team around a specific player.