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[Tigger]

These kinds of questions about Mats happened back then too, unfairly, every mistake was magnified.

Yeah, I'm just not going to agree with you on that. People did not question Sundin's effort or skill.

Well that's not quite the same is it, I said his mistakes were magnified. If the difference is questioning the effort or skill then fine, can't really argue that, it's the proportion and comparison to 'leadership' that I'm having a time with.

Edit to add: being reasonable might not have been part of that equation either.

 

[Erndog]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

 

[maplesyrup]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

I brought up that same comparison a couple of months ago. 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

Email it to Don Cherry

 

[drummond]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

Scary? How about horrifying

 

[maplesyrup]

Like I said in the summer strategy thread. The #1 thing that needs to be done is deal with at least two of the Komisarek, Lombardi, Armstrong, and Connolly contracts. - With Connolly being at the top of that list... but I'm biased. Everyone knows I think Connolly is well, special. 

 

[Tigger]

Like I said in the summer strategy thread. The #1 thing that needs to be done is deal with at least two of the Komisarek, Lombardi, Armstrong, and Connolly contracts. - With Connolly being at the top of that list... but I'm biased. Everyone knows I think Connolly is well, special.

I'd like to think it's Komisarek that's the biggest burden as the other 3 only have 1 year left. Have to hope for a free buyout period otherwise it'll be tough. If I had to choose one to keep it'd be Lombardi, if I had to.

 

[hap_leaf]

You know, in this age of league parity, there are so many average players that come cheap.  There is no reason to overspend on useful, productive players. 
I was looking at the Islanders players that dominated us on the scoresheet.

Parenteau $1.25M per year (a 9th round draft pick!)  64 pts
Moulson $2.5M per year (3 consecutive 30 goal seasons!) 61 pts

Edit: I suppose playing with Tavares helps...   But they still are obviously skilled players to keep up with him.

What would we be paying the likes of these guys if they played on the Leafs?
How come we can't find decent average players for a good price?
Connolly, Armstrong, McArthur, Lombardi...we begin paying at $3M per for these guys without blinking and for what return??

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Like I said in the summer strategy thread. The #1 thing that needs to be done is deal with at least two of the Komisarek, Lombardi, Armstrong, and Connolly contracts. - With Connolly being at the top of that list... but I'm biased. Everyone knows I think Connolly is well, special.

I'd like to think it's Komisarek that's the biggest burden as the other 3 only have 1 year left. Have to hope for a free buyout period otherwise it'll be tough. If I had to choose one to keep it'd be Lombardi, if I had to.

I wish Komi didn't receive the NMC otherwise he would be prime candidate to take over Finger's spot on the Marlies.

 

[louisstamos]

You know, in this age of league parity, there are so many average players that come cheap.  There is no reason to overspend on useful, productive players. 
I was looking at the Islanders players that dominated us on the scoresheet.

Parenteau $1.25M per year (a 9th round draft pick!)  64 pts
Moulson $2.5M per year (3 consecutive 30 goal seasons!) 61 pts

Edit: I suppose playing with Tavares helps...   But they still are obviously skilled players to keep up with him.

What would we be paying the likes of these guys if they played on the Leafs?
How come we can't find decent average players for a good price?
Connolly, Armstrong, McArthur, Lombardi...we begin paying at $3M per for these guys without blinking and for what return??

The one reply I'd have to that is MacArthur WAS that player last year...wasn't his contract $1.2mil last year?  He got 60 points and pretty much cashed in, big time.

Players like that who can play at a high level for super cheap are hard to find, though.  That's why draft picks and entry level contracts as so important, as much of a gamble as they are...

 

[Tigger]

You know, in this age of league parity, there are so many average players that come cheap.  There is no reason to overspend on useful, productive players. 
I was looking at the Islanders players that dominated us on the scoresheet.

Parenteau $1.25M per year (a 9th round draft pick!)  64 pts
Moulson $2.5M per year (3 consecutive 30 goal seasons!) 61 pts

Edit: I suppose playing with Tavares helps...   But they still are obviously skilled players to keep up with him.

What would we be paying the likes of these guys if they played on the Leafs?
How come we can't find decent average players for a good price?
Connolly, Armstrong, McArthur, Lombardi...we begin paying at $3M per for these guys without blinking and for what return??

Well Mac is probably right around market value, a lot more was expected of Armstrong, Lombardi was a financial burden to get Franson and Connolly was always an overpaid stopgap.

Moulson and Parenteau are working out now but when they were signed they were pretty much unknown quantities with ahl resumes.

When Mac was signed it was for 1.1 and Bozak is looking good too, in terms of price performance.

It's a good point though and something the Leafs need more of.

 

[Tigger]

Like I said in the summer strategy thread. The #1 thing that needs to be done is deal with at least two of the Komisarek, Lombardi, Armstrong, and Connolly contracts. - With Connolly being at the top of that list... but I'm biased. Everyone knows I think Connolly is well, special.

I'd like to think it's Komisarek that's the biggest burden as the other 3 only have 1 year left. Have to hope for a free buyout period otherwise it'll be tough. If I had to choose one to keep it'd be Lombardi, if I had to.

I wish Komi didn't receive the NMC otherwise he would be prime candidate to take over Finger's spot on the Marlies.

It's the biggest boat anchor of the bunch for that reason, a toughie to solve.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Like I said in the summer strategy thread. The #1 thing that needs to be done is deal with at least two of the Komisarek, Lombardi, Armstrong, and Connolly contracts. - With Connolly being at the top of that list... but I'm biased. Everyone knows I think Connolly is well, special.

I'd like to think it's Komisarek that's the biggest burden as the other 3 only have 1 year left. Have to hope for a free buyout period otherwise it'll be tough. If I had to choose one to keep it'd be Lombardi, if I had to.

I wish Komi didn't receive the NMC otherwise he would be prime candidate to take over Finger's spot on the Marlies.

It's the biggest boat anchor of the bunch for that reason, a toughie to solve.

Especially since his actual salary goes down to 3.5 then 3 million. Not exactly street change but very manageable to be eaten by MLSE if not for that NMC.

 

[Rebel_1812]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

I brought up that same comparison a couple of months ago. 

Well why aren't they playing him as the first line center between lupul and kessel.  He is not going to produce on the 3rd line. 

 

[maplesyrup]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

I brought up that same comparison a couple of months ago. 

Well why aren't they playing him as the first line center between lupul and kessel.  He is not going to produce on the 3rd line.

Well, he's on to his second coach now who doesn't think Connolly is a better option than Bozak on that line so you know, there just may be something to this whole "Connolly just isn't that good" line of thinking.

 

[Tigger]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

I brought up that same comparison a couple of months ago. 

Well why aren't they playing him as the first line center between lupul and kessel.  He is not going to produce on the 3rd line.

Well, he's on to his second coach now who doesn't think Connolly is a better option than Bozak on that line so you know, there just may be something to this whole "Connolly just isn't that good" line of thinking.

I don't know where you're getting that from, Carlyle has singled out Connolly previously in a positive way. Just because he hasn't chosen to switch him with Bozak doesn't mean he's a bad player.

 

[Deebo]

We upgraded Tim Brent (2 years @ 750K per year):

70 games, 11 goals, 12 assists, 23 points, -6


With Tim Connolly (2 years @ 4.5M per year):

62 games, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -10


Scary stuff.

I brought up that same comparison a couple of months ago. 

Well why aren't they playing him as the first line center between lupul and kessel.  He is not going to produce on the 3rd line.

Well, he's on to his second coach now who doesn't think Connolly is a better option than Bozak on that line so you know, there just may be something to this whole "Connolly just isn't that good" line of thinking.

I don't know where you're getting that from, Carlyle has singled out Connolly previously in a positive way. Just because he hasn't chosen to switch him with Bozak doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Kessel is to Fanatic as Connolly is to Sarge.

 

[maplesyrup]

I don't know where you're getting that from, Carlyle has singled out Connolly previously in a positive way. Just because he hasn't chosen to switch him with Bozak doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Have you heard Carlyle say a bad thing about any player yet?... and you're right, Connolly doesn't need any help at all from the coach to establish he's a bad player.

 

[maplesyrup]

Kessel is to Fanatic as Connolly is to Sarge.

... though I'm sure I'm much more handsome.  Seriously though, Connolly makes just $625,000 less than Kessel. It's almost criminal.

 

[Tigger]

I don't know where you're getting that from, Carlyle has singled out Connolly previously in a positive way. Just because he hasn't chosen to switch him with Bozak doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Have you heard Carlyle say a bad thing about any player yet?... and you're right, Connolly doesn't need any help at all from the coach to establish he's a bad player.

Like Deebo alluded you're trying to fit things into your own narrative, what you said about Bozak/Carlyle proves nothing.

I haven't heard Carlyle single out too many players with positive comments, fwiw.

I get that you don't like Connolly and that's fine but you're basing your conclusion in that particular post on a false assumption.

You really have to get past his salary. I mean I've said he's one of the overpriced player contracts that might need to be addressed if there's pressure on the cap so I agree to that end but I think you've might have some blinders on here.