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[Zee]

At the draft would the 4th pick overall, packaged with Lupul (contract expires next year) and a solid prospect be enough to land Getzlaf (contract also expires next year)?

The Ducks cannot keep all three of Ryan, Perry and Getzlaf. The Leafs have a history of making deals with the ducks.

Regardless of how they do it, I think that if the Leafs can get a top 4 pick they have to package it up and move it for someone that can help this team now. Getzlaf just happens to be a guy that I have always wanted.

Why don't we just keep our pick?

Whoever we pick isn't going to play for years?  If the goal is to make the playoffs next season the pick won't do anything for us.

 

[Mack674]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

At the draft would the 4th pick overall, packaged with Lupul (contract expires next year) and a solid prospect be enough to land Getzlaf (contract also expires next year)?

The Ducks cannot keep all three of Ryan, Perry and Getzlaf. The Leafs have a history of making deals with the ducks.

Regardless of how they do it, I think that if the Leafs can get a top 4 pick they have to package it up and move it for someone that can help this team now. Getzlaf just happens to be a guy that I have always wanted.

Why don't we just keep our pick?

Whoever we pick isn't going to play for years?  If the goal is to make the playoffs next season the pick won't do anything for us.

This team needs a few years to overhaul things. It's a mess right now and Getzlaf alone won't fix it. If you get him his contract extension will easily be 7 million plus per year. If we draft a kid he might be ready when Leafs are ready and his salary will be much more manageable cause he won't be a UFA for 9 years.

 

[gunnar36]

At the draft would the 4th pick overall, packaged with Lupul (contract expires next year) and a solid prospect be enough to land Getzlaf (contract also expires next year)?

The Ducks cannot keep all three of Ryan, Perry and Getzlaf. The Leafs have a history of making deals with the ducks.

Regardless of how they do it, I think that if the Leafs can get a top 4 pick they have to package it up and move it for someone that can help this team now. Getzlaf just happens to be a guy that I have always wanted.

Why don't we just keep our pick?

because as Burke says "the fans deserve a winning team now, not 4-5 years from now"  which is total bs.

I wish for once, a Leaf GM would bite the bullet and do a proper rebuild

 

[Fanatic]

At the draft would the 4th pick overall, packaged with Lupul (contract expires next year) and a solid prospect be enough to land Getzlaf (contract also expires next year)?

The Ducks cannot keep all three of Ryan, Perry and Getzlaf. The Leafs have a history of making deals with the ducks.

Regardless of how they do it, I think that if the Leafs can get a top 4 pick they have to package it up and move it for someone that can help this team now. Getzlaf just happens to be a guy that I have always wanted.

Why don't we just keep our pick?

As one of the youngest teams in the NHL I think the Leafs have a lot of solid young players - none that are knocking the doors down, but solid young players. At a certain point you need to add in some experience to that mix of youth. Getzlaf will be 27 this year and will have lots of playing in front of him. So, if the Leafs could land a top 6 (or especially a top 3) guy under the age of 30 by trading away the pick then I think they have to do that.

 

[Kaberle15]

As loaded as the next draft is, I would keep the 1st round pick, that might be as high as #2 overall if the free falling continues (hope so).

 

[Zee]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

That's not going to happen with Burke.  After saying he's not interested in a traditional rebuild, he's not going to suddenly go this route after 3 1/2 years and tell fans they'll have to wait an additional 5 years.

 

[Redleaf]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

That's not going to happen with Burke.  After saying he's not interested in a traditional rebuild, he's not going to suddenly go this route after 3 1/2 years and tell fans they'll have to wait an additional 5 years.

Yep. We're taking the shortcut. Shortcuts are supposed to be bumpy, right?

Edit: If this were the old west, and Leaf nation was a stage coach with Burkie up front holding the reigns, the shortcut he's taking us on would be so bumby right now, fans and players alike would be falling off in droves. BTW, The media are the Indians that are circling the wagon.
Sort of symbolic, isn't it?

 

[Zee]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

That's not going to happen with Burke.  After saying he's not interested in a traditional rebuild, he's not going to suddenly go this route after 3 1/2 years and tell fans they'll have to wait an additional 5 years.

Yep. We're taking the shortcut. Shortcuts are supposed to be bumpy, right?

Edit: If this were the old west, and Leaf nation was a stage coach with Burkie up front holding the reigns, the shortcut he's taking us on would be so bumby right now, fans and players alike would be falling off in droves.
Sort of symbolic, isn't it?

I don't know, other teams have shown you can turn over a roster in a single season and ice a competitive team.  Also after 53 games the Leafs were 28-19-6, so it's not like there's no talent on the roster right now, I'm a loss to explain how they've totally fallen apart the last 14 games.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

That's not going to happen with Burke.  After saying he's not interested in a traditional rebuild, he's not going to suddenly go this route after 3 1/2 years and tell fans they'll have to wait an additional 5 years.

Yep. We're taking the shortcut. Shortcuts are supposed to be bumpy, right?

Edit: If this were the old west, and Leaf nation was a stage coach with Burkie up front holding the reigns, the shortcut he's taking us on would be so bumby right now, fans and players alike would be falling off in droves.
Sort of symbolic, isn't it?

I don't know, other teams have shown you can turn over a roster in a single season and ice a competitive team.  Also after 53 games the Leafs were 28-19-6, so it's not like there's no talent on the roster right now, I'm a loss to explain how they've totally fallen apart the last 14 games.

It is truly bizarre.

 

[bustaheims]

It is truly bizarre.

It's not, really. Goaltending and team defence has been inconsistent all season, and, outside of a few good stretches, has been average or worse all year. Things have just come to a head now, where both team's defensive play and the play of the goalies has, for the most part, been well below average (except, oddly enough, on the PK) and the offence hasn't been able to step up enough to compensate for it like is did for the first 50 odd games of the season - of course, they're being counted on to score 5+ in most of these games, and, well, no team is going to win many games when that happens.

 

[ZBBM]

It is truly bizarre.

It's not, really. Goaltending and team defence has been inconsistent all season, and, outside of a few good stretches, has been average or worse all year. Things have just come to a head now, where both team's defensive play and the play of the goalies has, for the most part, been well below average (except, oddly enough, on the PK) and the offence hasn't been able to step up enough to compensate for it like is did for the first 50 odd games of the season - of course, they're being counted on to score 5+ in most of these games, and, well, no team is going to win many games when that happens.

Exactly, exactly, exactly.  The 28-19-6 was a bit of a mirage.

Way back at the beginning of the season I remember Ray Ferraro saying something like, they can't always count on outscoring their mistakes.  If I had to analyze the season in a single sentence, that would be it.

 

[sleepyone]

Been here. Done this. Keep the pick and trade anyone else that will get us more picks and hopefully have a team again in 3-4 years.

That's not going to happen with Burke.  After saying he's not interested in a traditional rebuild, he's not going to suddenly go this route after 3 1/2 years and tell fans they'll have to wait an additional 5 years.

Yep. We're taking the shortcut. Shortcuts are supposed to be bumpy, right?

Edit: If this were the old west, and Leaf nation was a stage coach with Burkie up front holding the reigns, the shortcut he's taking us on would be so bumby right now, fans and players alike would be falling off in droves.
Sort of symbolic, isn't it?

I don't know, other teams have shown you can turn over a roster in a single season and ice a competitive team.  Also after 53 games the Leafs were 28-19-6, so it's not like there's no talent on the roster right now, I'm a loss to explain how they've totally fallen apart the last 14 games.

It is truly bizarre.

the book is out in the leafs


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[Bender]

It'd be interesting if we found a way to peddle our way up and draft Yakupov. *sigh

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It'd be interesting if we found a way to peddle our way up and draft Yakupov. *sigh

If we get to 4th or 5th (rather achievable) we could get lucky and win the lottery.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

You know, I really don't buy what Burke said about the offers he received at the trade deadline. I think that was just Burke talking out of his behind. There's no way somebody offered a first round draft pick for Reimer.

 

[bustaheims]

It'd be interesting if we found a way to peddle our way up and draft Yakupov. *sigh

If we get to 4th or 5th (rather achievable) we could get lucky and win the lottery.

That's pretty much the only way the Leafs get the 1st overall pick. The team most likely to get it (Columbus) needs a Yakupov type player just as much, if not more than, the Leafs do.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It'd be interesting if we found a way to peddle our way up and draft Yakupov. *sigh

If we get to 4th or 5th (rather achievable) we could get lucky and win the lottery.

That's pretty much the only way the Leafs get the 1st overall pick. The team most likely to get it (Columbus) needs a Yakupov type player just as much, if not more than, the Leafs do.

Yeah, if Columbus or Montreal get the first round pick there's no question they'll keep it and pick Yakupov. Still, like I said before, I'd be more than happy with one of the other two big forwards in the draft. And I think it's pretty close to a lock that one of them will be there if we pick 4th.

 

[bustaheims]

You know, I really don't buy what Burke said about the offers he received at the trade deadline. I think that was just Burke talking out of his behind. There's no way somebody offered a first round draft pick for Reimer.

Yeah. You have to look through the hyperbole when Burke is asked about that kind of stuff. Part of what he says is to motivate his players - putting it out there that he wanted the on the team more than some theoretical high value assets he was supposedly offered - and part of it is really just exaggeration. If Burke had moved many of the assets people around these parts wanted him to, I imagine we'd all be pretty disappointed with the overall return and that the team would be even further behind on the rebuild/re-tool schedule.

 

[Bender]

It'd be interesting if we found a way to peddle our way up and draft Yakupov. *sigh

If we get to 4th or 5th (rather achievable) we could get lucky and win the lottery.

That's pretty much the only way the Leafs get the 1st overall pick. The team most likely to get it (Columbus) needs a Yakupov type player just as much, if not more than, the Leafs do.

Well, there's talk that they could go for Griegorenko (being a centre) but also talk of them steering clear of Russians in general (Zherdev, Filatov being busts).