Pens interested in Winnik

[bustaheims]

Steve Simmons wrote in his Sunday article that the Leafs have interest in Winnipeg's Alexander Burmistrov (currently in the KHL). I've brought up trading for him before, a 1-for-1 deal for Winnik would probably be something that could work.

It's an intriguing idea. While Burmistrov didn't light it up while he was here with the Thrashers/Jets, he is still a young, highly skilled player. If the Leafs can get some sort of assurance he'd come back to North America, it would certainly be something worth pursuing.

 

[L K]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

 

[freer]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

With our present record what makes you think he would want to come to TO

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

With our present record what makes you think he would want to come to TO

He was a bit miffed at Winnipeg  not letting him go the KHL during the last lockout. He played for a year for the Barrie Colts, so he's familiar with the area. 

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

With our present record what makes you think he would want to come to TO

He was a bit miffed at Winnipeg  not letting him go the KHL during the last lockout. He played for a year for the Barrie Colts, so he's familiar with the area.

Plus the KHL is a really bad scene right now with a lot of financial uncertainty.

 

[L K]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

With our present record what makes you think he would want to come to TO

Burmistrov's issues with Winnipeg weren't based on record.  It was based on them being jerks about not letting him play in the KHL during the lockout.  That and Winnipeg isn't exactly a fun place to live.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

A trade + contract for Burmistrov would be a pretty fair return for Winnik I think.  Maybe something along the lines of Winnik for Burmistrov with a conditional 3rd/4th rounder if Burmistrov doesn't sign.  It pushes the draft pick back a year but gives the Leafs the shot at adding a high skill player who doesn't want to be in Winnipeg.

With our present record what makes you think he would want to come to TO

Burmistrov's issues with Winnipeg weren't based on record.  It was based on them being jerks about not letting him play in the KHL during the lockout.  That and Winnipeg isn't exactly a fun place to live.

Fun Fact:  It's colder in Toronto right now than Winnipeg.  ;D

 

[Highlander]

Winterpeg is not the greatest town in the land, has a lot of issues with aboriginal people that are not messing with the mainstream.

 

[bustaheims]

Burmistrov's issues with Winnipeg weren't based on record.  It was based on them being jerks about not letting him play in the KHL during the lockout.  That and Winnipeg isn't exactly a fun place to live.

He also didn't have a great relationship with their coach at the time and wasn't happy with his ice time. There are some potential red flags there, but the upside is worth it unless some other team really comes in with an unbelievable offer on Winnik.

 

[Kin]

I wonder though if it's not a sort of double-edged sword on this one. If Burmistrov isn't willing to come over then it's not worth it to the Leafs and if he is then the Jets may want something more substantial for him.

 

[Bullfrog]

I was thinking the same, which is why I wouldn't expect any conditional pick to be very high at all if there is one even included.

Depends on whether or not Burmistrov has stated he absolutely won't play for Winnipeg. In that case, he's got very little value to the Jets.

 

[Kin]

I was thinking the same, which is why I wouldn't expect any conditional pick to be very high at all if there is one even included.

Depends on whether or not Burmistrov has stated he absolutely won't play for Winnipeg. In that case, he's got very little value to the Jets.

I suppose the other consideration is the trade market for Winnik. If the Franson-Santorelli deal maybe established that some people here were being a little optimistic in judging the return for deadline players then maybe Winnik's value is at around the point where Burmistrov might be worth it even if there's a very remote chance he comes back(say, a 5th rounder).

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I was thinking the same, which is why I wouldn't expect any conditional pick to be very high at all if there is one even included.

Depends on whether or not Burmistrov has stated he absolutely won't play for Winnipeg. In that case, he's got very little value to the Jets.

I suppose the other consideration is the trade market for Winnik. If the Franson-Santorelli deal maybe established that some people here were being a little optimistic in judging the return for deadline players then maybe Winnik's value is at around the point where Burmistrov might be worth it even if there's a very remote chance he comes back(say, a 5th rounder).

What is Burmistrov's ceiling?  I noticed his KHL numbers dropped off a bit this year relative to last.  Would he be considered a potential 2C?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What is Burmistrov's ceiling?  I noticed his KHL numbers dropped off a bit this year relative to last.  Would he be considered a potential 2C?

If he had a very talented winger with him he could probably put up 2C scoring numbers, somebody like Lupul for instance. He would also make up for any defensive deficiencies in that players game. But on a good team he slots into the 3C position, and provides very good two-way play.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Alright I've been throwing around a lot of trade proposals recently but I thought about this one the other night.

According to Friedman (maybe?) the other night, there aren't many 1st round picks left in play. Pitts on longer have their first so there's not much I'd be interested that they'd be offering (their 2nd will almost be a 3rd). What about packaging Phaneuf with Winnik.....

Phaneuf and Winnik to LA for Richards, Toffoli and a 1st.

L.A. get 2 solid players for a Cup run, and ditch a Cap anchor at the same time. T.O. get another 1st and a young player who looks good but may be playing over his head on a better roster.

Realistic?

 

[Kin]

I'd much, much rather just deal Phaneuf and Winnik for the best package of picks/prospects they could fetch and not take back Richards.

 

[freer]

I'd much, much rather just deal Phaneuf and Winnik for the best package of picks/prospects they could fetch and not take back Richards.

We will have to take salary back

 

[Kin]

I'd much, much rather just deal Phaneuf and Winnik for the best package of picks/prospects they could fetch and not take back Richards.

We will have to take salary back

Darren Dreger has said pretty definitively that that's not the case. Regardless, there's "taking salary back" and taking back what looks to be one of the worst contracts in the league right now.

 

[rdowdall]

Alright I've been throwing around a lot of trade proposals recently but I thought about this one the other night.

According to Friedman (maybe?) the other night, there aren't many 1st round picks left in play. Pitts on longer have their first so there's not much I'd be interested that they'd be offering (their 2nd will almost be a 3rd). What about packaging Phaneuf with Winnik.....

Phaneuf and Winnik to LA for Richards, Toffoli and a 1st.

L.A. get 2 solid players for a Cup run, and ditch a Cap anchor at the same time. T.O. get another 1st and a young player who looks good but may be playing over his head on a better roster.

Realistic?

I can't see the Kings giving up Toffoli now.  He's pretty integral to their team. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wasn't that basically the rumoured deal that Elliotte Friedman talked about? That the Kings rejected a Phaneuf for Richards/Toffoli package? Toffoli seems like somebody that they have absolutely no interesting in trading. And I also don't think that they'd really have that much interest in Phaneuf. They already have their top defence pairing locked down in Muzzin-Doughty, if they look to acquire a defenceman it will be somebody for their 2nd pairing to replace Voynov.