Phil Kessel

[caver]

Where does Seguin sit I wonder?

In a world where we no longer compare the two, I would hope.

Here ,here !!     

 

[Redleaf]

Where does Seguin sit I wonder?

In a world where we no longer compare the two, I would hope.

Wholeheartedly agree!

 

[Kin]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but Kessel has put up top 5 numbers since 2010-11

"Since the start of the 2010-2011 season, RW Phil Kessel has tallied 124 points in 123 games, fifth-most in hockey behind Steven Stamkos, Evgeni Malkin, Claude Giroux and Martin St. Louis."

I'm pretty sure you mean 2011-2012.

Where does Seguin sit I wonder?

Well, since it's only the past two seasons it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. Seguin has 96 points over that same stretch. He's also a +55 to Kessel's -10.

 

[Kin]

Where does Seguin sit I wonder?

In a world where we no longer compare the two, I would hope.

Wholeheartedly agree!

You just compared the two of them.

 

[Joe S.]

Well, since it's only the past two seasons it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. Seguin has 96 points over that same stretch. He's also a +55 to Kessel's -10.

Really? You with the +/-?

Come on...

 

[Rebel_1812]

Well, since it's only the past two seasons it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. Seguin has 96 points over that same stretch. He's also a +55 to Kessel's -10.

Really? You with the +/-?

Come on...

Yeah what was the team plus minus over that stretch to compare.  It is more accurate to compare plus/minus of the player to his team plus/minus then to the league wide average of +0.

 

[Kin]

Well, since it's only the past two seasons it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. Seguin has 96 points over that same stretch. He's also a +55 to Kessel's -10.

Really? You with the +/-?

Come on...

Is it a context heavy stat? Absolutely. But:

1. Seguin's +/- is good in context. He's at the top of his team. Kessel's is not good in context. He is not at the top of his team.
2. So are points. If we're going to make a big deal about the difference in points between the two of them without mentioning that Kessel is doing it with 15% more ice-time and 50% more icetime on the PP then we may as well go all-in.

 

[hap_leaf]

15 goals after 41 games.
We can't do anything about the lockout messing up the stats.  I am going to consider this 4 straight seasons 30 goals or more.  Plus another with Boston.
Way to go Phil !!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

 

[princedpw]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

 

[lamajama]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

And still some Leaf fans and the usual gang of idiots in the press suggested trading him...  :

 

[leafplasma]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

Imagine if he had a numba one centa!  Love to see a line of Kadri, Lupes and Kessel next season.

 

[nutman]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

And still some Leaf fans and the usual gang of idiots in the press suggested trading him...  :

I still can't get over that. Ha ha ha....

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

And still some Leaf fans and the usual gang of idiots in the press suggested trading him...  :

I don't think anyone was suggesting trading him because he wasn't a good hockey player. I believe the suggestion was being made because he could walk for free at the end of next year and even if he was to stay, he may command a really high salary.

 

[Kin]

I don't think anyone was suggesting trading him because he wasn't a good hockey player. I believe the suggestion was being made because he could walk for free at the end of next year and even if he was to stay, he may command a really high salary.

And the suggestion was to trade him and, hopefully, win the deal. It wasn't to give him away.

People forget, when the Sens traded Alexei Yashin he was legitimately one of the best offensive players in the game. And before people jump in on that they should know that, yes, I am saying that Phil Kessel and Alexei Yashin are exactly the same.

 

[slapshot]

Well, since it's only the past two seasons it's actually pretty easy to figure it out. Seguin has 96 points over that same stretch. He's also a +55 to Kessel's -10.

Really? You with the +/-?

Come on...

Is it a context heavy stat? Absolutely. But:

1. Seguin's +/- is good in context. He's at the top of his team. Kessel's is not good in context. He is not at the top of his team.
2. So are points. If we're going to make a big deal about the difference in points between the two of them without mentioning that Kessel is doing it with 15% more ice-time and 50% more icetime on the PP then we may as well go all-in.

While we are talking context, playing with Selke winner Patrice Bergeron (when healthy) probably doesn't hurt Seguin's stats either....

 

[lamajama]

I don't think anyone was suggesting trading him because he wasn't a good hockey player. I believe the suggestion was being made because he could walk for free at the end of next year and even if he was to stay, he may command a really high salary.

And the suggestion was to trade him and, hopefully, win the deal. It wasn't to give him away.

People forget, when the Sens traded Alexei Yashin he was legitimately one of the best offensive players in the game. And before people jump in on that they should know that, yes, I am saying that Phil Kessel and Alexei Yashin are exactly the same.

Really? I mean really? The same?

 

[princedpw]

Kessel is 7th in scoring.  If he maintains his position in the top 10, he'll be the first Leafs player to have back-to-back seasons in the top 10 scoring since Doug Gilmour in 92-93/93-94.

Also, Kessel was a fair bit below a ppg at the beginning of the season.  Now he's 3 points above.  He's been scoring at a real good rate the last 20-25 games or so.

Has 32 points in his last 23 games.

Short span of games but that's almost Crosby production.

 

[cw]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=421470
Only three players have accumulated more points in the past two seasons than Phil Kessel, the Maple Leafs 25-year-old reluctant star. One is the reigning Hart Trophy winner (Evgeni Malkin), another the reigning Rocket Richard winner (Steven Stamkos) and the third a rising star in Philadelphia (Claude Giroux).
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That production in a lockout-shortened year includes 32 assists, the second-best number by any winger this season (Martin St. Louis) and a number he's bested only once before, totaling 45 helpers a year ago in what proved to be a career season. He's also done so without Joffrey Lupul, his all-star running mate, and a big, space-creating number one centre. Kessel has additionally embraced the detailed demands of his third NHL coach, demonstrating growth in a long lacking area of the game. "Offensively I think he's been great the whole time," said Gunnarsson, "[but in the] last year I think he's been way better defensively, just back-checking and doing all the right stuff. I think he's been way better at that."

He has, in essence, added dimensions to a game that was once thought to have been defined by goal-scoring and goal-scoring alone.