Phoenix Trade up to #1?
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Kin
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Zee said:
It happens, but it happens when there isn't a clear cut #1 and the team trading the pick moves down a spot or two. Not five. The Panthers traded out of the #1 spot because they would have taken Bouwmeester #1 but could trade down, get him, and pick something up.
Trading the pick and winding up at #7 just doesn't happen. Like busta said, the only way a team would do it is if the other team offered so much that it would be impossible for them to refuse. Not just "eh, this deal's not bad". I like OEL, I like Domi, I like Strome and I like the #4 pick but not all of them combined are enough to make me say "It's impossible to turn that down". At best that's something where the Leafs might come out ahead.
Britishbulldog
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Yeah. I contend that OEL is top 10 in the league.
If Matthews was a few days older it has been suggested by many solid hockey people that he would have been selected 2nd or 3rd and Strome would have been 4th. So Strome is definitely below Matthews but it isn't the difference between a 1st line and 3rd line centre.
The mock draft looks like Matthews, Laine, Poolparty, Chychrn, Dubois, Tcachuk, Nylander so.....
My expectation is still at least 1st overall and Gardiner for 7th overall, OEL and Strome.
If Matthews was a few days older it has been suggested by many solid hockey people that he would have been selected 2nd or 3rd and Strome would have been 4th. So Strome is definitely below Matthews but it isn't the difference between a 1st line and 3rd line centre.
The mock draft looks like Matthews, Laine, Poolparty, Chychrn, Dubois, Tcachuk, Nylander so.....
My expectation is still at least 1st overall and Gardiner for 7th overall, OEL and Strome.
Kin
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Britishbulldog said:
I think there's a couple problems there. For starters, everyone in the hockey world agreed there was a massive drop-off between 2 and 3 last year. Strome wasn't a consensus #3. If the draft last year had been McDavid/Eichel/Matthews then the Leafs, picking 4th, may very well have still preferred Marner and the Hurricanes still might have wanted to go with Hanifin. It's not the difference between a 1st line and third line center, it's the difference between someone who every one thinks will be a first line center and a guy who, much like Marner, is still very much a question mark at the next level.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
I like OEL a lot, but that's not enough for me to move the pick alone, never mind including Gardiner - even if Arizona's pick as added.
dappleganger
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OEL is better than Shea Weber.
If OEL was on the Leafs, he'd be the best Leafs d-man in my lifetime and the best since Salming. He's easily top 5 in the league (I only have Doughty ahead of him).
Phoenix would be dumb to move him for Matthews and the Leafs would be dumb to trade the first pick for him. If the Leafs were to get OEL plus, I think you seriously consider it. Especially if Stamkos is headed this way.
This has everything to do with what the Leafs need, and the Leafs need a No. 1 D-man more than a No. 1 center at this point. (I believe Stamkos will come here).
Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Bozak, (very possibly Stamkos) Leafs have decent depth at center right now with no true No. 1 D prospects to speak of.
I don't think Matthews is as good as McDavid and if Eichel is a better comparison, I'd trade Eichel for OEL everyday of the week.
If OEL was on the Leafs, he'd be the best Leafs d-man in my lifetime and the best since Salming. He's easily top 5 in the league (I only have Doughty ahead of him).
Phoenix would be dumb to move him for Matthews and the Leafs would be dumb to trade the first pick for him. If the Leafs were to get OEL plus, I think you seriously consider it. Especially if Stamkos is headed this way.
This has everything to do with what the Leafs need, and the Leafs need a No. 1 D-man more than a No. 1 center at this point. (I believe Stamkos will come here).
Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Bozak, (very possibly Stamkos) Leafs have decent depth at center right now with no true No. 1 D prospects to speak of.
I don't think Matthews is as good as McDavid and if Eichel is a better comparison, I'd trade Eichel for OEL everyday of the week.
Coco-puffs
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Bates said:
I don't blame Arizona fans for that. Strome has borderline elite level talent, but is most likely going to be a good or borderline 1st line center. Dvorak has good 1st line center level talent, but is probably ends up being closer to a good 2nd line center. 7OA is right in the range of the top defensemen are expected to go in the draft, with first pairing potential.
Its hard to give all that up for one player, even if he is most likely going to be the only ELITE level player out of the group, especially when the state of your prospects isn't strong once you've given all that up.
From the Leafs perspective, you need a truckload back to appease a fan base that has clamored for an Elite 1st line center for half a dozen years now. That truckload would include the above plus OEL.
Agreed, there is no deal to be made here.
hockeyfan1
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Coyotes GM Chayka in no mood for these rumours:
Speculation such as Arizona offering both of its own first-round picks (Nos. 7 and 20) plus either Max Domi or prospectChristian Dvorak (both London Knights teammates of Toronto?s Mitch Marner) to the Maple Leafs in exchange for the right to draft elite hometown prospect Auston Matthews first overall.
?I?m not exactly sure where people come up with this stuff. I personally find some of the reports that are out there are pretty ridiculous speculation,? the league?s youngest GM told Craig Morgan of ArizonaSports.com Tuesday.
?We?re still just in discussions, whether that means moving up or down, and up doesn?t even have to be No. 1.?
?What we?re really looking at it is, does this trade make your team better in the short term and in the long term?? he said, with an eye on his enviable crop of prospects. ?We like our players a lot.?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-nhl-draft-trade-rumour-toronto-maple-leafs-john-chayka-max-domi-christian-dvorak-hanzal/
Speculation such as Arizona offering both of its own first-round picks (Nos. 7 and 20) plus either Max Domi or prospectChristian Dvorak (both London Knights teammates of Toronto?s Mitch Marner) to the Maple Leafs in exchange for the right to draft elite hometown prospect Auston Matthews first overall.
?I?m not exactly sure where people come up with this stuff. I personally find some of the reports that are out there are pretty ridiculous speculation,? the league?s youngest GM told Craig Morgan of ArizonaSports.com Tuesday.
?We?re still just in discussions, whether that means moving up or down, and up doesn?t even have to be No. 1.?
?What we?re really looking at it is, does this trade make your team better in the short term and in the long term?? he said, with an eye on his enviable crop of prospects. ?We like our players a lot.?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/auston-matthews-arizona-coyotes-nhl-draft-trade-rumour-toronto-maple-leafs-john-chayka-max-domi-christian-dvorak-hanzal/
Kin
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Maybe it's just me but that was one of the things I really liked about Burke. I don't think his efforts were damaged by that sort of forthrightness or anything and it made sense to try and trade up so why not say so?
Although, I guess, the answer to that question is that people criticized him for trying and failing rather than just saying nothing.
Although, I guess, the answer to that question is that people criticized him for trying and failing rather than just saying nothing.
