Playoff push trade pickups...

[nutman]

I would like to see the leafs add Larsson, and Miller for our playoff run. I feel this would push us over the top in terms of talent. I would be just crazy happy as I couldn't see many teams having much of a chance winning a series against us.

Thoughts,  and if not them who would you like to have, that we could afford and are available.

 

[Highlander]

Now with Amirov a real question mark (and I do pray for his total return to health),  then we are going to have to give up the gems it looks like we have in Neimela and Knies, both of who are untouchable to me.
We need to have some talent coming up through our system to keep us competitive and surround the 4.

What do we have to give up?  The future for a questionable now?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Now with Amirov a real question mark (and I do pray for his total return to health),  then we are going to have to give up the gems it looks like we have in Neimela and Knies, both of who are untouchable to me.
We need to have some talent coming up through our system to keep us competitive and surround the 4.

What do we have to give up?  The future for a questionable now?

Niemela, Knies, Amirov, Robertson are untouchable unless you're getting a bonafide star back like Chychrun. No high prive for rentals should be considered.
We have a 1st and lots of B level prospects to give up. I would like to see the Leafs grab Conor Garland and Schenn from Van City, if they're out of the playoffs. I think he'd be cheaper then Miller and he's signed for 4 more years after this one. I think a 1st, a 2nd tier prospect should be close to getting it done. Leafs can move Holl and Kerfoot in that or another deal to make room.
Should be interesting to see what Dubas can do but I don't see him getting rid of the 1st for a rental.

 

[Kin]

I really hope they don't move their 1st. We saw last year it guarantees nothing and the reality is their first round series is going to be a coin flip regardless. They can't keep putting off building the prospect base.

 

[Joe S.]

Fleury.

 

[Bullfrog]

I really hope they don't move their 1st. We saw last year it guarantees nothing and the reality is their first round series is going to be a coin flip regardless. They can't keep putting off building the prospect base.

I'm with you 100% on this. I'm tired of giving up 1st and 2nd round picks. I plan on being a Leafs fan for the foreseeable future, so I'd like them to be a good team for that foreseeable future.  ;D

 

[princedpw]

Now with Amirov a real question mark (and I do pray for his total return to health),  then we are going to have to give up the gems it looks like we have in Neimela and Knies, both of who are untouchable to me.
We need to have some talent coming up through our system to keep us competitive and surround the 4.

What do we have to give up?  The future for a questionable now?

Niemela, Knies, Amirov, Robertson are untouchable unless you're getting a bonafide star back like Chychrun. No high prive for rentals should be considered.
We have a 1st and lots of B level prospects to give up. I would like to see the Leafs grab Conor Garland and Schenn from Van City, if they're out of the playoffs. I think he'd be cheaper then Miller and he's signed for 4 more years after this one. I think a 1st, a 2nd tier prospect should be close to getting it done. Leafs can move Holl and Kerfoot in that or another deal to make room.
Should be interesting to see what Dubas can do but I don't see him getting rid of the 1st for a rental.

I see no reason to pick up a guy like Schenn.  Waste of assets. He?s better than no one on the roster. Even in the case of injury, he doesn?t move the needle in any significant fashion relative to callups.  Just say no to picking up extra 6-7 defensemen. We have enough.

 

[princedpw]

I really hope they don't move their 1st. We saw last year it guarantees nothing and the reality is their first round series is going to be a coin flip regardless. They can't keep putting off building the prospect base.

I?m ok with giving up the first for a guy who will be around for more than one year.

 

[hobarth]

I think there's quite a few players TO could/should trade/move in order to get over the hurdle of any success in the playoffs.

My list, it wouldn't break my heart to see any of them traded and I think most/all have shown they don't have what it takes to ensure future success:

Rielly
Muzzin
Holl
Dermott
Lyubushkin
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
Kampf
Kase
Clifford
Simmonds
Robertson

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

 

[Highlander]

I don't agree with your complete assessment.  I could agree with these.

Muzzin
Holl
Dermott
Kerfoot (although a useful rover)
Clifford
Simmonds

 

[Bullfrog]

I think there's quite a few players TO could/should trade/move in order to get over the hurdle of any success in the playoffs.

My list, it wouldn't break my heart to see any of them traded and I think most/all have shown they don't have what it takes to ensure future success:

Rielly
Muzzin
Holl
Dermott
Lyubushkin
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
Kampf
Kase
Clifford
Simmonds
Robertson

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

Why is Robertson on your list of non-assets? He's 20 years old.

 

[L K]

Rielly - The Leafs dont' really have offense from their blueline.  Rielly is 6th in defenseman scoring since 2017-2018.

Muzzin - a healthy Muzzin is still really important but I do agree that he might be a guy where if he gets healthy you look to move him before he falls off entirely (if he hasn't already)

Holl - sure, move on

Dermott - sure, move on

Lyubushkin - just acquired.  Need to see the year to see how he fits but he wasn't brought in to stabilize the defense, just to provide a bottom pairing stabilization.  Absolutely upgrade if you can but way to early to worry about

Kerfoot - its probably more about cost and ideal fit than anything else.  He's better for the team if we have a better top 6 winger but you are moving on because we need the money elsewhere

Mikheyev - I'd hate to lose him but he's likely not worth the contract he will get

Kampf - crazy.  He's great.  He's cheap.  Exactly what you want

Kase - he's an RFA.  We have control.  Not a guy to build around

Clifford - he's depth.  Kind of irrelevant to care about.  I don't like Clifford in the lineup but he's not even on the roster.

Simmonds - he's depth but I agree he's not anything that you hold onto if a better option is available

Robertson - he's 20

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.
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[OldTimeHockey]

I think there's quite a few players TO could/should trade/move in order to get over the hurdle of any success in the playoffs.

My list, it wouldn't break my heart to see any of them traded and I think most/all have shown they don't have what it takes to ensure future success:

Rielly
Muzzin
Holl
Dermott
Lyubushkin
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
Kampf
Kase
Clifford
Simmonds
Robertson

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

Please tell me there's booze involved.

 

[hobarth]

Rielly - The Leafs dont' really have offense from their blueline.  Rielly is 6th in defenseman scoring since 2017-2018.

Muzzin - a healthy Muzzin is still really important but I do agree that he might be a guy where if he gets healthy you look to move him before he falls off entirely (if he hasn't already)

Holl - sure, move on

Dermott - sure, move on

Lyubushkin - just acquired.  Need to see the year to see how he fits but he wasn't brought in to stabilize the defense, just to provide a bottom pairing stabilization.  Absolutely upgrade if you can but way to early to worry about

Kerfoot - its probably more about cost and ideal fit than anything else.  He's better for the team if we have a better top 6 winger but you are moving on because we need the money elsewhere

Mikheyev - I'd hate to lose him but he's likely not worth the contract he will get

Kampf - crazy.  He's great.  He's cheap.  Exactly what you want

Kase - he's an RFA.  We have control.  Not a guy to build around

Clifford - he's depth.  Kind of irrelevant to care about.  I don't like Clifford in the lineup but he's not even on the roster.

Simmonds - he's depth but I agree he's not anything that you hold onto if a better option is available

Robertson - he's 20

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

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Rielly is still an absolute black hole defensively, he has zero physicality and an extremely poor hockey IQ when it comes to defense, his offensive record doesn't show up in the playoffs nor does he except for his atrocious defense.

Someone outside of the top 4 forwards needs to score in the playoffs, usually a team would look to the 3rd line for add some more offense, I think it will be a mistake to expect any goals from Mikheyev, Kase and Kampf.

Last year TO's team d was good enough to win the first round but Montreal only needed to shut down 3 forwards and TO couldn't muster enough offense to win anything, loading up on defensive forwards every year for the playoffs isn't/hasn't been worth a hill of beans, TO has needed depth scoring more that a team full of Kampfs.

Hockey is still a game that when one team outscores the other it wins! 

 

[Kin]

For his career Rielly has scored at a clip of 8.5 goals and 46 points per 82 games in the regular season. In the playoffs he's scored at a clip of 10 goals and 49 points per 82.

And I think he's pretty solid defensively.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

For his career Rielly has scored at a clip of 8.5 goals and 46 points per 82 games in the regular season. In the playoffs he's scored at a clip of 10 goals and 49 points per 82.

And I think he's pretty solid defensively.

It's amazing how much flack a player of Rielly's skill gets from the Toronto fan base.

 

[Guilt Trip]

For his career Rielly has scored at a clip of 8.5 goals and 46 points per 82 games in the regular season. In the playoffs he's scored at a clip of 10 goals and 49 points per 82.

And I think he's pretty solid defensively.

It's amazing how much flack a player of Rielly's skill gets from the Toronto fan base.

I don't think it's the "fanbase" as a whole, rather couch coaches that think they know the game. Rielly isn't the greatest defensively and has lapses, but he's not just an offensive D man and knows his way around his own zone pretty good.

 

[Bender]

For his career Rielly has scored at a clip of 8.5 goals and 46 points per 82 games in the regular season. In the playoffs he's scored at a clip of 10 goals and 49 points per 82.

And I think he's pretty solid defensively.

It's amazing how much flack a player of Rielly's skill gets from the Toronto fan base.

It's always someone. I'll never forget how Larry Murphy got run out of town when I was a kid and won in Detroit.

 

[Bullfrog]

Rielly is still an absolute black hole defensively, he has zero physicality and an extremely poor hockey IQ when it comes to defense, his offensive record doesn't show up in the playoffs nor does he except for his atrocious defense.

Someone outside of the top 4 forwards needs to score in the playoffs, usually a team would look to the 3rd line for add some more offense, I think it will be a mistake to expect any goals from Mikheyev, Kase and Kampf.

Last year TO's team d was good enough to win the first round but Montreal only needed to shut down 3 forwards and TO couldn't muster enough offense to win anything, loading up on defensive forwards every year for the playoffs isn't/hasn't been worth a hill of beans, TO has needed depth scoring more that a team full of Kampfs.

Hockey is still a game that when one team outscores the other it wins!

I mean, Kerfoot scored 6 points in 7 games last playoffs.

I think Toronto desperately needed someone like Kampf. I love Kerfoot, but at this point I think I'd rather keep Kampf if it came to it.

 

[ZBBM]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/02/27/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-target-jakob-chychrun/

Long article, but for me the bottom line is he all the hyping depends on whether he can play on the right side ... where he apparently hasn't before.  Sounds chancy.