Playoff push trade pickups...

[Joe S.]

Interesting thanks for sharing - but I don?t think the leafs have the assets to pull it off.

 

[princedpw]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/02/27/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-target-jakob-chychrun/

Long article, but for me the bottom line is he all the hyping depends on whether he can play on the right side ... where he apparently hasn't before.  Sounds chancy.

If you had the option, would you send Muzzin the other way?

 

[princedpw]

Interesting thanks for sharing - but I don?t think the leafs have the assets to pull it off.

What about 2023 1st, 2nd, Niemala, Robertson?

 

[Joe S.]

Interesting thanks for sharing - but I don?t think the leafs have the assets to pull it off.

What about 2023 1st, 2nd, Niemala, Robertson?

I mean I guess but I think other teams can do better. I?m also tired of trading first round picks.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Rielly - The Leafs dont' really have offense from their blueline.  Rielly is 6th in defenseman scoring since 2017-2018.

Muzzin - a healthy Muzzin is still really important but I do agree that he might be a guy where if he gets healthy you look to move him before he falls off entirely (if he hasn't already)

Holl - sure, move on

Dermott - sure, move on

Lyubushkin - just acquired.  Need to see the year to see how he fits but he wasn't brought in to stabilize the defense, just to provide a bottom pairing stabilization.  Absolutely upgrade if you can but way to early to worry about

Kerfoot - its probably more about cost and ideal fit than anything else.  He's better for the team if we have a better top 6 winger but you are moving on because we need the money elsewhere

Mikheyev - I'd hate to lose him but he's likely not worth the contract he will get

Kampf - crazy.  He's great.  He's cheap.  Exactly what you want

Kase - he's an RFA.  We have control.  Not a guy to build around

Clifford - he's depth.  Kind of irrelevant to care about.  I don't like Clifford in the lineup but he's not even on the roster.

Simmonds - he's depth but I agree he's not anything that you hold onto if a better option is available

Robertson - he's 20

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

Rielly is still an absolute black hole defensively, he has zero physicality and an extremely poor hockey IQ when it comes to defense, his offensive record doesn't show up in the playoffs nor does he except for his atrocious defense.

Someone outside of the top 4 forwards needs to score in the playoffs, usually a team would look to the 3rd line for add some more offense, I think it will be a mistake to expect any goals from Mikheyev, Kase and Kampf.

Last year TO's team d was good enough to win the first round but Montreal only needed to shut down 3 forwards and TO couldn't muster enough offense to win anything, loading up on defensive forwards every year for the playoffs isn't/hasn't been worth a hill of beans, TO has needed depth scoring more that a team full of Kampfs.

Hockey is still a game that when one team outscores the other it wins!
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They don't need a team full of Kampfs, but the need a Kampf.

 

[hobarth]

Interesting thanks for sharing - but I don?t think the leafs have the assets to pull it off.

What about 2023 1st, 2nd, Niemala, Robertson?

I mean I guess but I think other teams can do better. I?m also tired of trading first round picks.

Here's the rub, after 50 plus years without a Cup is it more important for TO to keep low rated 1st rounders or go all in to possibly win a Cup.

Is TO as it's presently constituted a proper Cup contender?

 

[Kaberle15]

I would not mind trading a 1st + Niemela, Robertson for Jakob Chychrun, he is signed for 4 more years, is 23 years old with a 4.5 cap hit.

We are not getting Foligno again for that price (Foligno cost was a 1st and a 4th) and to be fair to him, he did played well for the Leafs, got unluck with some injuries. But they will not pay that kind of assets on any other rental, term is the key to give up the 1st and 2 top prospects.

My main concern right now is our goalies that are somehow still winning and the lack of grit and in your face play besides Bunting and Simmonds.

 

[caver]

I think the Leafs must be considering a goalie pickup... this team looks so strong they can't miss the opportunity to make the playoff run with subpar goaltending...I had a thought that they might look at Anton Khudobin for insurance in net given his past playoff success... but it looks like his play has fallen off this year...

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm generally against trading 1st rounders, but for someone like Chychrun, I'd definitely consider it.

I'm just tired of giving up 1st and 2nds for Folignos.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm generally against trading 1st rounders, but for someone like Chychrun, I'd definitely consider it.

I'm just tired of giving up 1st and 2nds for Folignos.

1st round picks for young players that will be here for at least 2 full seasons are worth considering. For rentals or older players, not so much.

That being said, the team can't just keep sacrificing draft capital and the potential to add players who will outperform their cap hits - which guys on ELCs do at a higher rate than more established players. There's a real need to strike a balance.

 

[Kin]

1st round picks for young players that will be here for at least 2 full seasons are worth considering. For rentals or older players, not so much.

That being said, the team can't just keep sacrificing draft capital and the potential to add players who will outperform their cap hits - which guys on ELCs do at a higher rate than more established players. There's a real need to strike a balance.

Yeah, I think that's sort of my take on it. Using a 1st or 2nd round pick in an effort to make your team better for the playoffs or to even add a guy who'll be around for a year or two beyond the playoffs is not in and of itself a bad decision but something that can be good when looked at individually can be bad if it's part of a larger pattern.

I don't know how many people know this but the NBA literally has a rule in place that says teams can't trade their 1st round pick two years in a row. They put it in place to protect teams from mortgaging too much of their future for the present. I don't think the NHL needs something similar and likewise I don't think it's an iron clad good strategic concept to follow, I do think it's not a bad sort of guiding principle here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Is Chychrun really a top pairing type defenceman that's worth selling the farm for, or did he just score a lot of goals one time and is big? I'm not really convinced. He'd be an intriguing buy-low candidate for me but that generally doesn't involve giving up 3 of our biggest future trade assets.

 

[Highlander]

The Russian Bear seems pretty steady defensively, no offence but pretty decent D.  Holl looked like a brand new player last night.  If these two guys can do the job like last night then why sell the farm. 

I would have to brand Niemela and Knies untouchable, probably Nicky Bobby as well (who should be on the 2nd line for a few shifts to see what he can bring there).  Maybe we go for Fleury, but what do we lose for him?

 

[hobarth]

Does TO need more/different/better goalies, draft choices for any of those 3 might/probably is unnecessary, I figure 7 or 8 of the last 10 goals scored against TO were deflections so unless TO can somehow find goalies with inhuman reflexes TO just needs a commitment from the players to not leave the opposition totally unchecked when in TO's end, stop puck watching, this isn't a d-man problem only.

 

[caver]

Does TO need more/different/better goalies, draft choices for any of those 3 might/probably is unnecessary, I figure 7 or 8 of the last 10 goals scored against TO were deflections so unless TO can somehow find goalies with inhuman reflexes TO just needs a commitment from the players to not leave the opposition totally unchecked when in TO's end, stop puck watching, this isn't a d-man problem only.

The Leafs definitely need more saves from their goalies... the save percentages have been lower than the league average and that isn't how you chase a championship... or even get out of the first round in this division..

 

[Guilt Trip]

The Russian Bear seems pretty steady defensively, no offence but pretty decent D.  Holl looked like a brand new player last night.  If these two guys can do the job like last night then why sell the farm. 

I would have to brand Niemela and Knies untouchable, probably Nicky Bobby as well (who should be on the 2nd line for a few shifts to see what he can bring there).  Maybe we go for Fleury, but what do we lose for him?

No to Fluery. Would cost too much to acquire especially with the retained salary.

 

[Matthews34]

A defenceman like Soucy would be a good realistic addition. Murphy however would be my top target with Chicago looking to go into a full rebuild.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I am no longer bullish on getting a goalie. Mostly because who the hell are we going to get? Fleury seems to be the only option and I mostly like him to settle Campbell down as a backup. Probably not worth the cost.

Get a defenseman and commit to team defense.

No matter what happens, I have low hopes and am prematurely sad, or still sad from last season I suppose.

 

[Frank E]

I am no longer bullish on getting a goalie. Mostly because who the hell are we going to get? Fleury seems to be the only option and I mostly like him to settle Campbell down as a backup. Probably not worth the cost.

Get a defenseman and commit to team defense.

No matter what happens, I have low hopes and am prematurely sad, or still sad from last season I suppose.

I still think they should chase Fleury.

I also think that if goaltending lets them down again, Shanahan and Dubas might be in trouble.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I am no longer bullish on getting a goalie. Mostly because who the hell are we going to get? Fleury seems to be the only option and I mostly like him to settle Campbell down as a backup. Probably not worth the cost.

Get a defenseman and commit to team defense.

No matter what happens, I have low hopes and am prematurely sad, or still sad from last season I suppose.

I still think they should chase Fleury.

I also think that if goaltending lets them down again, Shanahan and Dubas might be in trouble.

Flower told Chicago that he doesn't want to be traded..he has a M-NTC, so I don't think he's an option. The leafs are going with what they have because there isn't anything out there. The Leafs D needs to tighten up more and try to have active sticks. You can have the opposition deflecting as many pucks as they have the last little while. They tighten up and the goalies will improve. Both will help the other with improved play from all.