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Deebo said:
I think he means the shootout could be the difference during the regular season.
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Yep.  And I don't think it's improper to suggest that they should be setting the tone for the regular season on this particular issue that gave them quite a bit of trouble last year.
 
How do you teach a team to improve on the shootout?  It's just skill and/or luck is it not?  Not like you can try harder to deke a goalie, you either have the skill to do it or you don't.  If you don't, you might get lucky.  Breakaway drills are done in hockey from the time you're 6 years old.
 
Phil was in a nasty mood last night. They didn't really show
what precipitated the slashing responses but yee-hah!
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/death-shootout-support-3-3-overtime-increasing-nhl-195413310--nhl.html

Hopefully this is the last year we see of shootouts. 3-on-3 OT should be the future of the NHL.
 
Potvin29 said:
How do you teach a team to improve on the shootout?  It's just skill and/or luck is it not?  Not like you can try harder to deke a goalie, you either have the skill to do it or you don't.  If you don't, you might get lucky.  Breakaway drills are done in hockey from the time you're 6 years old.
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For the most part yea, but the coaches can scout out the other teams goalies and know thier weak spots in shootouts, how most goals are scored on them, for the most part that should be done already.
 
Leafaholic99 said:
Potvin29 said:
How do you teach a team to improve on the shootout?  It's just skill and/or luck is it not?  Not like you can try harder to deke a goalie, you either have the skill to do it or you don't.  If you don't, you might get lucky.  Breakaway drills are done in hockey from the time you're 6 years old.
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For the most part yea, but the coaches can scout out the other teams goalies and know thier weak spots in shootouts, how most goals are scored on them, for the most part that should be done already.
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Yeah I would assume every team does some variation of scouting the opposing goalie, combined with the players' knowledge of them already.
 
As I've always said on the subject, I don't want the team to spend time practicing shootouts at the expense of the sort of skills that turn losses into ties, and ties into wins.

Sure, a little time spent on shootouts is fine, but for the most part just practice actual hockey.  There are no shootouts in the playoffs anyway.
 
Snoop Lion said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/death-shootout-support-3-3-overtime-increasing-nhl-195413310--nhl.html

Hopefully this is the last year we see of shootouts. 3-on-3 OT should be the future of the NHL.
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His idea, mentioned in passing, of having game decided by sudden death 5/3 or 4/3 power plays, with home team getting first crack, is terrible, even worse than SOs.

How about 4/4 10-minute OTs, with ties at the end if no winner?  I'd bet most games would be decided, especially if you set it up so that a tie would produce 0 points for either team. 
 
Snoop Lion said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/death-shootout-support-3-3-overtime-increasing-nhl-195413310--nhl.html

Hopefully this is the last year we see of shootouts. 3-on-3 OT should be the future of the NHL.
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I don't see how 3 on 3 is an improvement. It's still not the actual game. I mean...either ties are acceptable or they aren't. If they aren't, the shootout is the only sure thing to avoid them. If they are, why can't overtime just be....hockey?
 
You know what worked. 5 on 5 10 minute OT and ties. No OTL points.

I don't care if a team has 20 ties - it's better that 02 OTL points.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
How about 4/4 10-minute OTs, with ties at the end if no winner?  I'd bet most games would be decided, especially if you set it up so that a tie would produce 0 points for either team. 
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I like this, but with a point for an OTL or a tie.
 
I think we kind of have to accept a couple of things here:

1) The NHL will never bring back ties. Ever.
2) Games have to end in a timely manner (therefore no continuous OT).

With that said, the only difference I would make to the current format is maybe making 4-on-4 overtime last 10 minutes instead of 5 minutes. Then go to a shootout. 3-on-3 is just as gimmicky as a shootout is. If not more, in my opinion. 
 
At this point, I'd be in favour of scrapping OT entirely. Give each team a point for ending regulation in a tie, have the shootout so the fans that need a result get one, but, not have it really have an impact on the standings. Use shootout winning percentage as a tiebreaker. The league has already acknowledged that shootout wins aren't as valuable as regulation or OT wins, so, why not go that extra mile?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
3-on-3 is just as gimmicky as a shootout is. If not more, in my opinion.
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Agreed. I like the idea that the shootout is solely used as a tiebreaker in the standings but doesn't actually add points.
 
I have to admit, I like the 3 on 3 idea. Gimmicky? Yes, but I think its better than a shootout. (Less skills competition and more hockey).

The best players (who get the biggest paychecks) will be the ones who essentially decide the outcome, and not necessarily the best players at breakaways vs the goalies.
 
I don't think I've ever seen 3v3.. I'd have to see it in action first. 

It sounds a little on the "All-Star Game skills competition event nobody watches" side for my tastes, but I'm still open to the idea.
 
RedLeaf said:
I have to admit, I like the 3 on 3 idea. Gimmicky? Yes, but I think its better than a shootout. (Less skills competition and more hockey).

The best players (who get the biggest paychecks) will be the ones who essentially decide the outcome, and not necessarily the best players at breakaways vs the goalies.
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Yeah, 3-on-3 OT is something I would like to see happen.

The shootout idea needs to eventually be scrapped, as it's becoming progressively less interesting every year.

3-on-3 at least keeps the same flavour of the game, but makes it more wide open and puts more of an emphasis on skating and probably odd man rushes.
 
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