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Randy Carlyle After JVR for Fowler +?

TBLeafer said:
Even Fowler + Ritchie for JVR?  Ya know, the big power forward many Leafs fans wanted drafted over Nylander?

At least we now know that he isn't Tyler Biggs.  ;)
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Pretty much nobody here wanted Ritchie drafted. We were all terrified at the possibility.
 
If we're targeting a prospect/young player in the Ducks' system as the 2nd piece in the deal, it should be Theodore.
 
bustaheims said:
If we're targeting a prospect/young player in the Ducks' system as the 2nd piece in the deal, it should be Theodore.
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That's not a bad idea but I think the general feeling is that it's the presence of Theodore that makes Anaheim inclined to trade a defenseman in the first place.

What about Brandon Montour though? I only know his AHL numbers but they're pretty good and he's a RHD.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
TBLeafer said:
Even Fowler + Ritchie for JVR?  Ya know, the big power forward many Leafs fans wanted drafted over Nylander?

At least we now know that he isn't Tyler Biggs.  ;)
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Pretty much nobody here wanted Ritchie drafted. We were all terrified at the possibility.
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Oh good, I've found the right place then.  :)
 
Nik the Trik said:
That's not a bad idea but I think the general feeling is that it's the presence of Theodore that makes Anaheim inclined to trade a defenseman in the first place.

What about Brandon Montour though? I only know his AHL numbers but they're pretty good and he's a RHD.
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Maybe, though I think a significant motivator for Anaheim in dealing a defenceman is that they'll almost certainly lose one of Lindholm, Fowler, Despres, or Vatanen in the expansion draft, and they'd prefer to get value for one of them now, instead. Obviously, they'd prefer to hold on to Theodore to fill that void, though.

Montour is definitely intriguing in terms of his offensive potential. I don't know much about him past that, though.
 
nutman said:
I hope we don't deal JVR, I think he is a keeper.
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Agreed.  Why would you get rid of a proven commodity at the prime of his career for potentially unknowns.  Sure we need a 1A or 1B defenseman to go with Rielly but try to figure out another way.  He's our 1st line winger and if you get rid of him then you'll be trying to fill that 1st line winger position now.  I would be totally fine if we can bring in some less flashy, defensive defencemen from the Marlies or free agency.  We already have our flashy, mobile defensemen in Rielly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and maybe Carrick.  We don't need another. 
 
TBLeafer said:
nutman said:
I hope we don't deal JVR, I think he is a keeper.
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I honestly think the next trade chip to fall is Bozak.
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While I'd hate to see him go, I could live with that.  Or move him or Kadri to the wing.  I think Kadri to the wing would be a better move IMO.  He's not as good of a playmaker as Bozak and that's what you want in an offensive center. 

How about we get rid of Lupul's contract first?  If Lupul could somehow regain his form, he could be quite useful in the top 9. 
 
nutman said:
I hope we don't deal JVR, I think he is a keeper.
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The issue with JvR is that, while he's a bargain now, in two years, he'll be looking for a significant raise - probably into the $7M+ per year range. In the next years, realistically, the Leafs won't be contending for a Cup, and, when they are approaching that stage, they'll need the cap space for more important pieces than a goal scoring winger. He's at his most valuable in terms of a trade piece right now, while his value to the team is approaching it's lowest.
 
No.92 said:
Agreed.  Why would you get rid of a proven commodity at the prime of his career for potentially unknowns.  Sure we need a 1A or 1B defenseman to go with Rielly but try to figure out another way.  He's our 1st line winger and if you get rid of him then you'll be trying to fill that 1st line winger position now.  I would be totally fine if we can bring in some less flashy, defensive defencemen from the Marlies or free agency.  We already have our flashy, mobile defensemen in Rielly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and maybe Carrick.  We don't need another.
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A lot of it has to do with money. Right now JVR is a great bargain but in two years' time he's probably going to be looking for a huge contract extension that probably won't make sense for the Leafs to sign if, the year after, they have to sign Matthews and Marner to extensions.

So the question becomes do you trade JVR now when his value is higher than it will be then? Or do you trade him in two years? Or let him walk? Being as most people don't think the Leafs are going to be terribly competitive over the next two years, what's the point in having him on the wing? Especially when so many people are high on Marner eventually being the #1 wing.

Trading a player doesn't mean you think they're not good. Just that you realize the limitations of the salary cap and know that trading good players is how you bring back high level assets. Phil Kessel was a really good player when Boston decided to trade him but they did pretty well by it.
 
No.92 said:
How about we get rid of Lupul's contract first?  If Lupul could somehow regain his form, he could be quite useful in the top 9.
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Right now you've got Sosh, Hyman, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Komarov and, as of now, Bozak and JVR. One of the kids might start on the 4th line but realistically the top 9 is more or less full.
 
Nik the Trik said:
No.92 said:
Agreed.  Why would you get rid of a proven commodity at the prime of his career for potentially unknowns.  Sure we need a 1A or 1B defenseman to go with Rielly but try to figure out another way.  He's our 1st line winger and if you get rid of him then you'll be trying to fill that 1st line winger position now.  I would be totally fine if we can bring in some less flashy, defensive defencemen from the Marlies or free agency.  We already have our flashy, mobile defensemen in Rielly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and maybe Carrick.  We don't need another.
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A lot of it has to do with money. Right now JVR is a great bargain but in two years' time he's probably going to be looking for a huge contract extension that probably won't make sense for the Leafs to sign if, the year after, they have to sign Matthews and Marner to extensions.

So the question becomes do you trade JVR now when his value is higher than it will be then? Or do you trade him in two years? Or let him walk? Being as most people don't think the Leafs are going to be terribly competitive over the next two years, what's the point in having him on the wing? Especially when so many people are high on Marner eventually being the #1 wing.

Trading a player doesn't mean you think they're not good. Just that you realize that the limitations of the salary cap and know that trading good players is how you bring back high level assets. Phil Kessel was a really good player when Boston decided to trade him but they did pretty well by it.
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Yeah, in terms of his value/contract and age, and the organization's positional strengths, he's really the best candidate to move for a significant blueline upgrade. It's a compliment to him.

 
mr grieves said:
Yeah, in terms of his value/contract and age, and the organization's positional strengths, he's really the best candidate to move for a significant blueline upgrade. It's a compliment to him.
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Exactly. No one is talking about trying to get rid of him, but, rather, sacrifice a little of the present to help improve future. Short-term pain for long-term gain.
 
mr grieves said:
Nik the Trik said:
No.92 said:
Agreed.  Why would you get rid of a proven commodity at the prime of his career for potentially unknowns.  Sure we need a 1A or 1B defenseman to go with Rielly but try to figure out another way.  He's our 1st line winger and if you get rid of him then you'll be trying to fill that 1st line winger position now.  I would be totally fine if we can bring in some less flashy, defensive defencemen from the Marlies or free agency.  We already have our flashy, mobile defensemen in Rielly, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and maybe Carrick.  We don't need another.
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A lot of it has to do with money. Right now JVR is a great bargain but in two years' time he's probably going to be looking for a huge contract extension that probably won't make sense for the Leafs to sign if, the year after, they have to sign Matthews and Marner to extensions.

So the question becomes do you trade JVR now when his value is higher than it will be then? Or do you trade him in two years? Or let him walk? Being as most people don't think the Leafs are going to be terribly competitive over the next two years, what's the point in having him on the wing? Especially when so many people are high on Marner eventually being the #1 wing.

Trading a player doesn't mean you think they're not good. Just that you realize that the limitations of the salary cap and know that trading good players is how you bring back high level assets. Phil Kessel was a really good player when Boston decided to trade him but they did pretty well by it.
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Yeah, in terms of his value/contract and age, and the organization's positional strengths, he's really the best candidate to move for a significant blueline upgrade. It's a compliment to him.
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You could trade him straight up, for....oh... I dunno...Luke Schenn?
 
RedLeaf said:
You could trade him straight up, for....oh... I dunno...Luke Schenn?
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I'm sure LA would love to have him, but straight up? Maybe they want a sweetener added for the soon to be ufa?
 
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