Rangers @ Leafs - Jan. 4th, 7:00pm - CBC, SN 590

[Stronger Than All]

Kessel!  Sheesh

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Regarding Phaneuf, I was referring to the play when someone on the Rangers hit him after the whistle when the leafs were 4-0 down. It would have been nice to see some push back instead of the standard phaneuf expression and a small shove.

I wasn't suggesting he go and start a fight for no reason anytime during the play.

Exactly. The "standard" Phaneuf expression. Maybe show some pushback and anger at the situation. Instead it's "angry letter to follow".

How about his shoulder posture as he skated to the bench?  I remember Yzerman and Sundin, you used to FEEL it in their shoulders through the TV how upset and angry they were.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I really don't understand why players aren't instructed to just go to the bench immediately when they break a stick. McClement literally did nothing on the ice for about 40 seconds in the defensive end because he didn't have a stick.

Yeah, I've thought the same thing. It takes 5 seconds to get a stick. You're useless without one.

 

[drummond]

Hoping Gleason has not been listening to Carlyle and he is not studying "the system" too much 8)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

A potential Gunnarsson injury terrifies me. Means Gleason comes in for sure, and considering Ranger hasn't looked great tonight that could mean Fraser goes in as well.

*shudders*

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

A potential Gunnarsson injury terrifies me. Means Gleason comes in for sure, and considering Ranger hasn't looked great tonight that could mean Fraser goes in as well.

*shudders*

Oh noz!!!!

 

[Jalili]

The forwards who lead the charge for this team are also mostly poor defensively

Other coaches seemed to manage not getting heavily outshot with similar players as the top players.

Fair enough, but I doubt there's many good defensive teams out there whose top forwards are as collectively poor defensively as these guys.

Most people don't use highly tuned Ferarris in a demolition derby.

That's not a good analogy at all.

Lots of other teams, especially good teams, require their top forwards to play strong defensively.

Guys like Toews, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Kopitar, etc... are they ferarri's being misused as demolition cars?

 

[2badknees]

Regarding Phaneuf, I was referring to the play when someone on the Rangers hit him after the whistle when the leafs were 4-0 down. It would have been nice to see some push back instead of the standard phaneuf expression and a small shove.

I wasn't suggesting he go and start a fight for no reason anytime during the play.

He pushes back all the time, not sure where the idea that he doesn't comes from.  Then gets roundly criticized if he takes a penalty, too.

You're not getting it. Never mind.

Or you're not explaining it properly, Randy.

Ok, I'll try.

The game isn't just about stats. When your team is getting pummelled, and a guy hits you after the whistle, gets in your face, and starts yapping, you have a chance to make a statement for your team, especially a guy like Phaneuf.

A standard Phaneuf shove and skate back to the bench doesn't do much to inspire the team to keep competing.

 

[drummond]

A potential Gunnarsson injury terrifies me. Means Gleason comes in for sure, and considering Ranger hasn't looked great tonight that could mean Fraser goes in as well.

*shudders*

Or someone from Marlies - TJ Brennan - OK he is offensive guy, but how about Holzer or Grannberg (he is +14)

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Regarding Phaneuf, I was referring to the play when someone on the Rangers hit him after the whistle when the leafs were 4-0 down. It would have been nice to see some push back instead of the standard phaneuf expression and a small shove.

I wasn't suggesting he go and start a fight for no reason anytime during the play.

He pushes back all the time, not sure where the idea that he doesn't comes from.  Then gets roundly criticized if he takes a penalty, too.

You're not getting it. Never mind.

Or you're not explaining it properly, Randy.

Ok, I'll try.

The game isn't just about stats. When your team is getting pummelled, and a guy hits you after the whistle, gets in your face, and starts yapping, you have a chance to make a statement for your team, especially a guy like Phaneuf.

A standard Phaneuf shove and skate back to the bench doesn't do much to inspire the team to keep competing.

You haven't defined what you expect him to do.  And now that you've further explained it, that is what I replied to, that he often does "push back."  There's absolutely no proof that doing some undefined "push back" sort of thing spurs a team on, nor is there any context provided of other team captains or leaders doing similar things.  It just rings as a vague critique for the sake of critiquing him.  What might be a "push back" to you, might be different to someone else.

 

[2badknees]

Regarding Phaneuf, I was referring to the play when someone on the Rangers hit him after the whistle when the leafs were 4-0 down. It would have been nice to see some push back instead of the standard phaneuf expression and a small shove.

I wasn't suggesting he go and start a fight for no reason anytime during the play.

He pushes back all the time, not sure where the idea that he doesn't comes from.  Then gets roundly criticized if he takes a penalty, too.

You're not getting it. Never mind.

Or you're not explaining it properly, Randy.

Ok, I'll try.

The game isn't just about stats. When your team is getting pummelled, and a guy hits you after the whistle, gets in your face, and starts yapping, you have a chance to make a statement for your team, especially a guy like Phaneuf.

A standard Phaneuf shove and skate back to the bench doesn't do much to inspire the team to keep competing.

You haven't defined what you expect him to do.  And now that you've further explained it, that is what I replied to, that he often does "push back."  There's absolutely no proof that doing some undefined "push back" sort of thing spurs a team on, nor is there any context provided of other team captains or leaders doing similar things.  It just rings as a vague critique for the sake of critiquing him.  What might be a "push back" to you, might be different to someone else.

A push back in that scenario is dropping the gloves. The other guy was ready to go.

 

[Bates]

If it was a Nash type pushing with Phaneuf I would be all for a sign of strength and drop the gloves.  But sacrificing Phaneuf to fight the larger Boyle just doesn't make sense for Dion or the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

CBC puts Boychuk up as a potential Canadian Olympian on the defence but not Phaneuf. Hilarious.

 

[ZBBM]

CBC puts Boychuk up as a potential Canadian Olympian on the defence but not Phaneuf. Hilarious.

Is anybody seriously touting Phaneuf as a candidate though?

 

[2badknees]

If it was a Nash type pushing with Phaneuf I would be all for a sign of strength and drop the gloves.  But sacrificing Phaneuf to fight the larger Boyle just doesn't make sense for Dion or the Leafs.

It wasn't Boyle. It was Kreider I think.

 

[L K]

Orr isn't the problem tonight but the lack of need for a pure face masher was never more evident tonight.  Orr tried to engage Boyle on two separate shifts in the second.  Boyle didn't even look at him when he was doing it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

CBC puts Boychuk up as a potential Canadian Olympian on the defence but not Phaneuf. Hilarious.

Is anybody seriously touting Phaneuf as a candidate though?

Not for awhile, no. Of course nobody is touting Boychuk either, CBC literally just needed another name to fill a gap on their graphic. I just find it interesting they went with him.

 

[TML fan]

The forwards who lead the charge for this team are also mostly poor defensively

Other coaches seemed to manage not getting heavily outshot with similar players as the top players.

Fair enough, but I doubt there's many good defensive teams out there whose top forwards are as collectively poor defensively as these guys.

Most people don't use highly tuned Ferarris in a demolition derby.

That's not a good analogy at all.

Lots of other teams, especially good teams, require their top forwards to play strong defensively.

Guys like Toews, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Kopitar, etc... are they ferarri's being misused as demolition cars?

It's a perfect analogy. Guys like the ones you mentioned are excellent two way forwards. Players the Leafs have aren't, so why are they trying to play a passive defensive system when they are more suited to an aggressive, up tempo offensive game?

The system is already flawed to begin with, but it's just asinine when you have a group of players who are poorly suited to play it. If you're not going to change the players, then you need to change the system...in other words, the coaching staff.

 

[Bates]

Sorry I thought you were referring to the Boyle one earlier.  I don't know if Carlyle tells Dion not to fight???  He should have pummeled Kreider to gain a little momentum.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Phaneuf's been on the ice for just a single shot attempt towards the Rangers net. That's, uh, bad.

edit: Looks like extraskater hasn't updated that in a bit