Red Wings @ Leafs - Dec. 21st, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

[CarltonTheBear]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

 

[lamajama]

I?ve seen a lot of horsebleep calls over the years and that?s at or near the top. Unsportsmanlike was the 2nd penalty..?? WTH?  Who attacked who? Obviously a Leaf diehard but the Leafs sure seem to get the short stick more than most.

 

[L K]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I mean Mantha has Muzzin in a headlock and is throwing punches.  I still don?t see the need for the extra penalty.  Unless you also give Mantha an instigator

 

[Guilt Trip]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I mean Mantha has Muzzin in a headlock and is throwing punches.  I still don?t see the need for the extra penalty.  Unless you also give Mantha an instigator

Agree. Muzz didn't want to fight and took him down. Shouldn't have been an extra there. Grab the instigator. Mantha should never have went after him for that hit. It wasn't dirty or really hard.

 

[lamajama]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

It should have been 2 mins instigating, 5mins for Mantha, and 5 mins Muzzin, and you can tack on the 2mins unsportsmanlike to muzzin if that's the opinion.

But Mantha jumping Muzzin after a clean hit is a textbook example of why they have the instigating rule, and they didn't apply it. In fact, they didn't apply it to Holl, and should have as well.

 

[herman]

Um what the hell happened

Muzz hit a guy with a moderate not really hard check. Mantha went after him, punched Muzz so Muzz grabbed him and dumped him on the ice. As they went down Mantha hit his head. Then after that with 33 seconds to go some clown runs, at Kerfoot with his elbow and knee sticking out. Oh and Dermott got a 10 for applauding the refs for the extra bs penalty to Muzz.

Thanks for the run down. Catching up on gifs now.
Does clown here mean you couldn?t spell Athanasiou from memory?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

 

[herman]

Where do we stand on this hit on Timashov last night?
https://twitter.com/leafsalldayy/status/1208199613611683840

I thought it was a pretty dangerous play

 

[Guilt Trip]

Um what the hell happened

Muzz hit a guy with a moderate not really hard check. Mantha went after him, punched Muzz so Muzz grabbed him and dumped him on the ice. As they went down Mantha hit his head. Then after that with 33 seconds to go some clown runs, at Kerfoot with his elbow and knee sticking out. Oh and Dermott got a 10 for applauding the refs for the extra bs penalty to Muzz.

Thanks for the run down. Catching up on gifs now.
Does clown here mean you couldn?t spell Athanasiou from memory?

I couldn't remember the assclowns name lol.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Where do we stand on this hit on Timashov last night?
https://twitter.com/leafsalldayy/status/1208199613611683840

I thought it was a pretty dangerous play

I did too. That's pretty close to what happened to Petterson last year and now it's a penalty.

 

[Chris]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

I don't see what you're seeing. They were wrestling and Mantha wound up in an awkward position, I don't think Muzzin was even looking at him when he went down. Just bad luck in my opinion.

 

[ZBBM]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

I don't see what you're seeing. They were wrestling and Mantha wound up in an awkward position, I don't think Muzzin was even looking at him when he went down. Just bad luck in my opinion.

That's what I say.

And what did he get the unsportsmanlike for?

 

[Bender]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

I don't see what you're seeing. They were wrestling and Mantha wound up in an awkward position, I don't think Muzzin was even looking at him when he went down. Just bad luck in my opinion.

I don't think the level of danger involved necessarily means it's an automatic unsportsmanlike.

 

[Chris]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

I don't see what you're seeing. They were wrestling and Mantha wound up in an awkward position, I don't think Muzzin was even looking at him when he went down. Just bad luck in my opinion.

I don't think the level of danger involved necessarily means it's an automatic unsportsmanlike.

I'd love to see an explanation for that penalty. They are both wrestling, Muzzin gets some leverage and Mantha winds up in an awkward position and falls hard to the ice. Best I can tell, when he went down he had Muzzin's face/head completely wrapped in his hands/arms. What is Muzzin supposed to do there? It's not like he picked him up and threw him to the ice.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Ok watching it again I don't exactly hate the extra 2 for Muzzin on that play. Mantha instigated things sure, but that takedown move kinda crosses a line of what's generally expected in situations there. Especially that close to the boards... if Mantha's head hit them first instead of the ice that could have actually been a lot worse.

I respectfully disagree. Don?t want Mantha hurt but he initiated the ?scrap? and as more often than not these days an NHL fight devolves into a wrestling match. Challenging that hit was nonsense anyway.

We see little scrums like that every game. It could/would have fizzled out without incident. They aren't dangerous. What Muzzin did was.

Look at the Athanasiou/Holl scrum. It looks like a very similar play but Athanasiou at least held Holl up as they went down so he didn't slam the ice as hard as Mantha did.

I don't see what you're seeing. They were wrestling and Mantha wound up in an awkward position, I don't think Muzzin was even looking at him when he went down. Just bad luck in my opinion.

That's what I say.

And what did he get the unsportsmanlike for?

Perhaps he told the ref to go fly a kite.

 

[L K]

Leafs are now 2nd in their division and when GP even out are in a worst case scenario 2 points out of a playoff spot behind Tampa.  Amazing how quickly things can turn around

 

[Bender]

Leafs are now 2nd in their division and when GP even out are in a worst case scenario 2 points out of a playoff spot behind Tampa.  Amazing how quickly things can turn around

And that's worst case. Better to be where we are with points than having games in hand that you still may lose.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1208781954478419968

Don't think this was noticed at the time.

edit: This apparently happened in the 2nd and Fabbri was penalized for it. I guessed I just missed it.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1208781954478419968

Don't think this was noticed at the time.

edit: This apparently happened in the 2nd and Fabbri was penalized for it. I guessed I just missed it.

Another blown call by the refs.  A spear that misses the player is a double minor.  A spear they connects is a major penalty.  Oh well, who needs the rule book when you officiate in the NHL though.