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hobarth

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Rielly has one more year left in his contract, Dubie has threatened to trade him if a contract isn't worked out this summer.

What is Rielly worth, basically he's supposedly a speedy, nonphysical, leader with offensive talent but not the greatest defensively. As for being such a great offensive talent, take away the 52 and 72 point seasons and I don't think he's actually delivered on his offensive potential. Mostly his resume seems very Tyson Barrieish to me but Barrie has delivered on his offensive promise far more consistently than Rielly.

Barrie just signed for $4.5 mil per for 3 years so the question is, does Rielly deserve more or even that much? 
 
Barrie's defensive contribution is exactly 0.

Rielly at least contributes a bit.

Barrie last 3 seasons - 146 points 204 games - 0.71 ppg
Rielly last 3 seasons - 134 points 184 games - 0.73 ppg

Better player overall.


 
hobarth said:
Rielly has one more year left in his contract, Dubie has threatened to trade him if a contract isn't worked out this summer.

What is Rielly worth, basically he's supposedly a speedy, nonphysical, leader with offensive talent but not the greatest defensively. As for being such a great offensive talent, take away the 52 and 72 point seasons and I don't think he's actually delivered on his offensive potential. Mostly his resume seems very Tyson Barrieish to me but Barrie has delivered on his offensive promise far more consistently than Rielly.

Barrie just signed for $4.5 mil per for 3 years so the question is, does Rielly deserve more or even that much?
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As mentioned above, Rielly is a better defensive player than Tyson Barrie. Barrie is a number 4 at best, and more than likely a 5/6 defender/powerplay quarterback.

That being said, Rielly has been frustrating the last 2 seasons. His skating and mobility has been hindered and his powerplay quarterback play has been terrible. It's weird that at the age of 27, he seems to be regressing already.
 
I love Mogen, but his play leaves a lot to be desired especially in his own end. As he is a defenseman, this does pose a problem. I would move him for some picks.  We need to make some space for our D prospects.
 
He's definitely better than Barrie. Someone mentioned in another thread that Torey Krug would be a good comparable, and I agree. He got 7 years @ $6.5M. I can't see Rielly getting less than $6M
 
hrundi99 said:
Barrie's defensive contribution is exactly 0.

Rielly at least contributes a bit.

Barrie last 3 seasons - 146 points 204 games - 0.71 ppg
Rielly last 3 seasons - 134 points 184 games - 0.73 ppg

Better player overall.
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Is Morgan better than Tyson defensively or has Morgan been better partnered than Tyson which has propped up the eye test and the totals. Rielly like Barrie has stats that reflect the quality of the team/partner they play with rather than being able to rise above the chaos when times are tough.

TO's core isn't enough to get past a 1st round or even into the playoffs(lost qualifier), it's time to start a change to the core and where better than the anemic anchor to TO's PP.

For $5 mil. Rielly is perhaps a worthwhile signing but anything more would be an overpayment, IMO.   
 
I?m not sure what bizarro universe this thread has originated from where we?re comparing Reilly to Barrie.
 
Joe S. said:
I?m not sure what bizarro universe this thread has originated from where we?re comparing Reilly to Barrie.
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Barrie is in Ontario, Rielly is now in Toronto, but could be in BC within the year.
 
I'm going to shamelessly repost some of my thoughts on Rielly that I wrote the other day in a different thread since it's pretty relevant here:

I wonder how much Rielly's offence slightly drying up is going to affect his contract. Krug at $6.5mil seems like a reasonable comparison but he was coming off 3 straight seasons where he was pretty much consistently at the 65-point pace level. He was 6th among defencemen in points in that 3 season stretch and 5th in points per game. He was one of the top offensive defencemen in the game.

Rielly followed up his massive 18/19 season with a 47-point pace season and then a 52-point pace season. He's 9th in points and points per game over the last 3 years but that's largely based off that 18/19 season. Over the past 2 seasons he's tied for 27th in points and tied for 19th in points per game. And considering the team seem to be moving towards having Sandin run the top PP unit I wouldn't be that surprised if he fell below the 50-point mark again this upcoming season.

So I don't doubt that Rielly will be looking for big bucks on his next contract but his offensive numbers are dropping to the point where he's not among the highest scoring defencemen anymore, he plays big 5-on-5 minutes but hasn't been handling the toughest defensive assignments for a little while now, he might dropped to the second powerplay unit, and he only PKs when another defenceman is in the penalty box. I love Rielly and all but looking at this logically unless he has an absolutely monster 21/22 season I'm not even really sure how you justify giving him more than what Muzzin got on his extension.
 
There raelly ought to be a decision by December, if not before the season starts.
As valuable as he is for our playstyle (at least on the attack), anything north of 6.5M is probably a no-go for me.
 
hobarth said:
Rielly has one more year left in his contract, Dubie has threatened to trade him if a contract isn't worked out this summer.

What is Rielly worth, basically he's supposedly a speedy, nonphysical, leader with offensive talent but not the greatest defensively. As for being such a great offensive talent, take away the 52 and 72 point seasons and I don't think he's actually delivered on his offensive potential. Mostly his resume seems very Tyson Barrieish to me but Barrie has delivered on his offensive promise far more consistently than Rielly.

Barrie just signed for $4.5 mil per for 3 years so the question is, does Rielly deserve more or even that much?
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Finally, someone who sees things my way.  I've been trying to tell people for years that if you take away my lack of skill, desire and commitment, I'd have been the next Mark Osborne.
 
Honestly, if that's the way the team feels about Rielly then ideally they should trade him before the season begins. I guess I'm higher on him than most but regardless if you're trying to run it back with this group then I don't think mid-season you can trade a top pairing defensemen and still have it look like you have faith in the team(provided the trade for Rielly isn't one that immediately improves the team).

I think it'd be a mistake but if the general feeling is that you can lose Rielly and insert Sandin without losing much then you should give Sandin as much time as possible to work up to that over the course of the season.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm going to shamelessly repost some of my thoughts on Rielly that I wrote the other day in a different thread since it's pretty relevant here:

I wonder how much Rielly's offence slightly drying up is going to affect his contract. Krug at $6.5mil seems like a reasonable comparison but he was coming off 3 straight seasons where he was pretty much consistently at the 65-point pace level. He was 6th among defencemen in points in that 3 season stretch and 5th in points per game. He was one of the top offensive defencemen in the game.

Rielly followed up his massive 18/19 season with a 47-point pace season and then a 52-point pace season. He's 9th in points and points per game over the last 3 years but that's largely based off that 18/19 season. Over the past 2 seasons he's tied for 27th in points and tied for 19th in points per game. And considering the team seem to be moving towards having Sandin run the top PP unit I wouldn't be that surprised if he fell below the 50-point mark again this upcoming season.

So I don't doubt that Rielly will be looking for big bucks on his next contract but his offensive numbers are dropping to the point where he's not among the highest scoring defencemen anymore, he plays big 5-on-5 minutes but hasn't been handling the toughest defensive assignments for a little while now, he might dropped to the second powerplay unit, and he only PKs when another defenceman is in the penalty box. I love Rielly and all but looking at this logically unless he has an absolutely monster 21/22 season I'm not even really sure how you justify giving him more than what Muzzin got on his extension.
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This!!  All day long!!

If you didn't shamelessly repost this from the other thread I was going to.

Rielly had one outlier year offensively and people think it will cause him to be worth big money.  Krug has been more consistent the last few years offensively than Rielly and I feel has been better defensively and received $6.5 MIL on the open market.

We got Kessel's $1.2 MIL retention coming of the books so that gives a little wiggle room but I figured that might be part of Sandin and Campbell's pay raises.  So I agree with you CTB, I would keep Rielly around Muzzin's contract and maybe give him $5.7 MIL just to make Rielly the highest paid Leafs dman.  If that isn't good enough then let him walk and sign with Edmonton for a ridiculous contract.
 
Other people have pointed it out but it's hard not to see how Edmonton set themselves up for this. By taking Keith's money they allowed Chicago to sign Jones for what they did and that bumps Nurse's price up too.

Really just some galaxy brain stuff from Holland this year.
 
I thought all the big UFA/pending UFA defencemen deals this summer have been overpayments. Jones. Werenski. Even Hamilton, a guy I like, got maybe about $1mil more than I figured he would. But this is like, what, a $3mil per season overpayment? Just absolutely bonkers.
 
https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1423700841043742724
Offensive D-men get paid (arguably more than they should at UFA)

so if I squint and treat Marner as an offensive d-man he really plays like one, then the contract is market value (100-pt defenseman!!! who plays all three phases). The corollary is Rielly is a 45-pt LW.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I thought all the big UFA/pending UFA defencemen deals this summer have been overpayments. Jones. Werenski. Even Hamilton, a guy I like, got maybe about $1mil more than I figured he would. But this is like, what, a $3mil per season overpayment? Just absolutely bonkers.
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I agree.
 
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