Russian jet carrying hockey team Lokomotiv crashes

[Tigger]

I'm no pilot, why would someone try to take off if they accidentally applied the brakes just before?

I suspect they passed they threshold... Too late to abort the takeoff.

In one of the articles they also suggested the pilot may not have been aware that they touched the brakes but that seems weird to me.

Wouldn't it be better to be on the ground even if they passed this threshold?

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm no pilot, why would someone try to take off if they accidentally applied the brakes just before?

I suspect they passed they threshold... Too late to abort the takeoff.

In one of the articles they also suggested the pilot may not have been aware that they touched the brakes but that seems weird to me.

Wouldn't it be better to be on the ground even if they passed this threshold?

It's tough to say... If he stays on the ground, he's crashing anyway. What makes crashing on takeoff really bad is the fuel tanks are full. He might have though he might still have enough speed to get off the ground and not crash at all... Not a choice I want to have to make, that's for sure.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I'm no pilot, why would someone try to take off if they
accidentally applied the brakes just before?

I suspect they passed they threshold... Too late to abort
the takeoff.

In one of the articles they also suggested the pilot may
not have been aware that they touched the brakes but
that seems weird to me.

Wouldn't it be better to be on the ground even if they passed this threshold?

Is it so possible.... and this is just a suggestion not a definitive answer.... that the pilots may not have been 'sober'? 'Sober-minded' enough?  You know what I mean, what I'm alluding to....

 

[Tigger]

I'm no pilot, why would someone try to take off if they
accidentally applied the brakes just before?

I suspect they passed they threshold... Too late to abort
the takeoff.

In one of the articles they also suggested the pilot may
not have been aware that they touched the brakes but
that seems weird to me.

Wouldn't it be better to be on the ground even if they passed this threshold?

Is it so possible.... and this is just a suggestion not a definitive answer.... that the pilots may not have been 'sober'? 'Sober-minded' enough?  You know what I mean, what I'm alluding to....

I have to think if that were the case the airline would be trumpeting that rather loudly to the media.

Possible, yes, from what I've read, no.

 

[Madferret]

Still sounds a little fishy to me - how do you "accidentally" apply the brakes in a situation were you've never done so before? Is the "brakes" button down by the lighter next to his knee? I agree with HF1 - he was probably pissed.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

Doesn't the Yak 42 have a questionable safety record. The pilot error could be a case of CYA.

 

[maplesyrup]

The flight data recorder would tell all... Like I said briefly after the accident, Russia's aviation standards aren't exactly up to oursf whether it be pilot training, or weight & balance errors, or aircraft maintenance.. whatever. Remember this is a country who trained one pilot so well that in the mid 90s let his son and daughter (both children) at the controls and they somehow managed to kick off the auto-pilot without him noticing. IIRC, everyone on board was killed... Not quite 100?

Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from... I've worked for an airline for 15+ years now. My sister worked for the same airline for 25 years before retiring. She and her husband both have private pilot's licenses. My Dad was a pilot and owned small planes for most of my childhood... I'm a bit of an airline/aviation brat and have to tell you, there are just some airlines/aircraft I would not travel on.   

 

[Number 5]

The flight data recorder would tell all... Like I said briefly after the accident, Russia's aviation standards aren't exactly up to oursf whether it be pilot training, or weight & balance errors, or aircraft maintenance.. whatever. Remember this is a country who trained one pilot so well that in the mid 90s let his son and daughter (both children) at the controls and they somehow managed to kick off the auto-pilot without him noticing. IIRC, everyone on board was killed... Not quite 100?

Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from... I've worked for an airline for 15+ years now. My sister worked for the same airline for 25 years before retiring. She and her husband both have private pilot's licenses. My Dad was a pilot and owned small planes for most of my childhood... I'm a bit of an airline/aviation brat and have to tell you, there are just some airlines/aircraft I would not travel on. 

For the safety, and general well being of your fellow posters, please list them.
*It is understood that it'd be an opinion only, so no supporting 'proof' would be required. (From me, at least).

 

[maplesyrup]

Allow me to reply to that tomorrow, okay? Man, I'm bagged... If I forget, please rattle my cage.

 

[moon111]

At C.F.B. Trenton, a Russian plane went off the end of the 2 mile long runway.  Another came in to short, clipped the chain-link fence, pulled up and was diverted to an airport in Ottawa... with part of the chain-link fence still attached.  From what I've heard from military folks, they wouldn't go in one of their planes either, and that's coming from folks flying in planes built decades ago.

 

[maplesyrup]

The flight data recorder would tell all... Like I said briefly after the accident, Russia's aviation standards aren't exactly up to oursf whether it be pilot training, or weight & balance errors, or aircraft maintenance.. whatever. Remember this is a country who trained one pilot so well that in the mid 90s let his son and daughter (both children) at the controls and they somehow managed to kick off the auto-pilot without him noticing. IIRC, everyone on board was killed... Not quite 100?

Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from... I've worked for an airline for 15+ years now. My sister worked for the same airline for 25 years before retiring. She and her husband both have private pilot's licenses. My Dad was a pilot and owned small planes for most of my childhood... I'm a bit of an airline/aviation brat and have to tell you, there are just some airlines/aircraft I would not travel on. 

For the safety, and general well being of your fellow posters, please list them.
*It is understood that it'd be an opinion only, so no supporting 'proof' would be required. (From me, at least).

Okay , you would catch me on any African Airline (outside of South African.)  Air Bangladesh and Pakistan International Airlines? Forget it. Not a prayer. China Air and Cubana make me nervous and so do a lot of Russian outfits including their main one Aeroflot. I would not get on to any Ilyushin regardless of the carrier... Every one I've seen looks like it's flown it's last flight. Some mechanics I know have a motto - "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going." I don't subscribe to that but I see why some do. Also, some of the Caribbean island hoppers make me a bit nervous... Lots of takeoffs and landings per day in a high salt content environment.  - These birds are under high stress and salt + metal just don't mix. I'd still fly on them but I always think of Aloha Airlines.

Anyway, it's still the safest way to travel statistically speaking and there is no reason to feel unsafe when flying. As a side, I'm really quite proud of my company's safety record.

 

[ZBBM]

I know you can't reveal your company but how does its safety record stack up against Qantas?  I flew them once and was told they have never had a crash (although they nearly had a catastrophic one last year IIRC).

Also was impressed with South African on a NY-Joberg flight.

 

[maplesyrup]

I know you can't reveal your company but how does its safety record stack up against Qantas?  I flew them once and was told they have never had a crash (although they nearly had a catastrophic one last year IIRC).

Also was impressed with South African on a NY-Joberg flight.

Like I said... "Outside of South Africa." Compared to Qantas? I'm not sure they've had an incident that resulted in any fatalities so I think they're at the top worldwide. The company I work for began passenger operations in 1937 (I think you'll be able to figure it out based on that) and have had only a handful of incidents over that time. Without checking the stats, considering our size and history, I believe we're at or near the top  in the whole of North America (maybe the world) in terms of safety, standards of training, etc...

 

[ZBBM]

I know you can't reveal your company but how does its safety record stack up against Qantas?  I flew them once and was told they have never had a crash (although they nearly had a catastrophic one last year IIRC).

Also was impressed with South African on a NY-Joberg flight.

Like I said... "Outside of South Africa." Compared to Qantas? I'm not sure they've had an incident that resulted in any fatalities so I think they're at the top worldwide. The company I work for began passenger operations in 1937 (I think you'll be able to figure it out based on that) and have had only a handful of incidents over that time. Without checking the stats, considering our size and history, I believe we're at or near the top  in the whole of North America (maybe the world) in terms of safety, standards of training, etc...

Right, I was agreeing with you re SAA, not overlooking your exclusion of it from the other African airlines.

And, thanks to your hint, I was able to figure out your employer.  Never had the pleasure of using them myself, but I sure do like their choice in arena naming rights. 

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

I hate flying. Can't stand it. I'm afraid. On the rare occasion I do have to fly somewhere, it's gonna be Air Canada, or quite simply, I am not going. I don't trust anyone, but I mistrust all the other airlines more than I mistrust AC. If that makes sense.

I'd rather drive/be driven.

And don't bother quoting me the 'you're safer in the air than on the roads' thing, I know. I'd still rather not fly.

 

[maplesyrup]

My lifestyle obviously changed big time when kids arrived on the scene but we never thought twice about just going somewhere for the weekend - every weekend just for something to do. Man, I miss that but whatever, the kids are getting to the point where they're not such a pain in the ass to travel with so we'll get back in to it more - I hope. Anyway, I'm getting off track... My point being is I've done a LOT of flying and I'm always a tad nervous.

In the old board, there was a thread that asked we list three things and or secrets people didn't know about you. One of the things I listed was flying with my family in my Dad's my private plane into some unexpected bad weather and somehow getting into a flat spin with my Dad pulling out far too close to the ground than I care to really know. - I think that damaged my nerves permanently.  :-\

 

[hockeyfan1]

I remember once, at a younger age, when my parents and I were to fly home from Germany, aboard Air Canada, the flight was delayed by more than an hour due to "engine trouble".  We were a little upset, but then again, thank goodness that they had the capacity to correct the problem.  Passenger safety was utmost in their mind, and we were all grateful for that.


I have flown with so many other airliners -- KLM, Lufthansa, Iberia Air, British Airways, Air France, the defunct WardAir and Canadian Airlines and of course, Air Canada.  This was back in the mid '80s to late '90s.  Many were adequate in service, but some stood out. 


As far as my family and I are concerned, we placed our trust in Air Canada, due to their quality of both service and especially their maintenance record.
When it came time, we weren't disappointed.

 

[Bullfrog]

I hate flying solely for the reason that I get motion sickness very easily. This goes for being on boats, buses, trains, cars, etc. Basically, anything moving where I'm not the driver. Other than that, flying doesn't make me nervous at all.

The worst is taking those 9 seaters (Pilatus PC-12) up to northern reserves, flying for 1 1/2 hours then finding out they can't land because they can't see the run way. Uh, makes my skin crawl. Unfortunately, I have to take those flights several times a year and there's about a 50/50 chance the plane is able to land.

Thankfully, i don't get nauseous. I get about every other possible motion-sickness symptom though; headache, skin-crawling, sweats, dizziness, fatigue; basically a good dose of malaise.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Playing hockey in a Roman amphitheatre that spanned from 27 to 68 A.D.... event to honour the late Ruslan Salei....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/behold-roman-amphitheatre-begins-transforming-hockey-rink-141229032--nhl.html

The finished product...

 

[Tigger]

Now there's a game I'd like to go to, that looks very cool.