sens @ Leafs - Oct. 6th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

[ZBBM]

Hmmm missed tonight's game and "watched" it through the GDT.  One bad game and Andersen is garbage, I see.

Sounds like the whole team needs to wake up and understand that Bettman has been only too successful in making it a parity league.

 

[Zee]

Hmmm missed tonight's game and "watched" it through the GDT.  One bad game and Andersen is garbage, I see.

Sounds like the whole team needs to wake up and understand that Bettman has been only too successful in making it a parity league.

It's not just one bad game. We've seen this "October Andersen" play out the first 2 seasons and now maybe again this year. If he could start the season on time it would help the Leafs get off to a good start. Leafs deserved to win tonight but shoddy goaltending was the difference

 

[Guilt Trip]

Hmmm missed tonight's game and "watched" it through the GDT.  One bad game and Andersen is garbage, I see.

Sounds like the whole team needs to wake up and understand that Bettman has been only too successful in making it a parity league.

It's not just one bad game. We've seen this "October Andersen" play out the first 2 seasons and now maybe again this year. If he could start the season on time it would help the Leafs get off to a good start. Leafs deserved to win tonight but shoddy goaltending was the difference

Actually it is just one bad game THIS SEASON. Shoddy goaltending or not the TEAM doesn't look that good to me. Out of sync right now trying to find their way. It'll come.

 

[Bender]

Lots of good teams have been lit up pretty bad in the first two games. Boston, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, San Jose. It happens. We're early in the season yet.

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[OldTimeHockey]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

Yep, agreed. I think the problem seems to be that fans are so used to Andersen bailing the D out of bad decisions, that when he doesn't do it, it's his fault.

I still maintain that this D group is being tasked with plays that it doesn't have the talent to execute. None of them are especially big and strong, so they can't break up the cycle, and their constantly getting on the wrong side of body position, so when they do finally get a chance to transition it, they're gassed. None of them are particularly fast, save Reilly. And none of them have much vision in terms of possession type decisions in their own end save Gardiner, and he occasionally has his off nights as well.

I'd like to see them acknowledge this, and return to a simpler getting the puck out of the zone as quickly as possible rather than trying to make elite plays as a group. Once the opposition has the puck in the Leafs' end, they're having a hell of a time trying to get it back.

 

[Zee]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

Yep, agreed. I think the problem seems to be that fans are so used to Andersen bailing the D out of bad decisions, that when he doesn't do it, it's his fault.

I still maintain that this D group is being tasked with plays that it doesn't have the talent to execute. None of them are especially big and strong, so they can't break up the cycle, and their constantly getting on the wrong side of body position, so when they do finally get a chance to transition it, they're gassed. None of them are particularly fast, save Reilly. And none of them have much vision in terms of possession type decisions in their own end save Gardiner, and he occasionally has his off nights as well.

I'd like to see them acknowledge this, and return to a simpler getting the puck out of the zone as quickly as possible rather than trying to make elite plays as a group. Once the opposition has the puck in the Leafs' end, they're having a hell of a time trying to get it back.

I mean any shot on goal any team allows you can call a "defensive breakdown". If teams played perfect defense there would be 0 shots on net. Fact is Leafs allowed only 23 shots and Andersen gave up 4 (on the first 17 mind you).  The chances the Sens scored on weren't exactly 10 bell chances either. He's gotta stop at least 3 of those 4

 

[Guilt Trip]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

Yep, agreed. I think the problem seems to be that fans are so used to Andersen bailing the D out of bad decisions, that when he doesn't do it, it's his fault.

I still maintain that this D group is being tasked with plays that it doesn't have the talent to execute. None of them are especially big and strong, so they can't break up the cycle, and their constantly getting on the wrong side of body position, so when they do finally get a chance to transition it, they're gassed. None of them are particularly fast, save Reilly. And none of them have much vision in terms of possession type decisions in their own end save Gardiner, and he occasionally has his off nights as well.

I'd like to see them acknowledge this, and return to a simpler getting the puck out of the zone as quickly as possible rather than trying to make elite plays as a group. Once the opposition has the puck in the Leafs' end, they're having a hell of a time trying to get it back.

I mean any shot on goal any team allows you can call a "defensive breakdown". If teams played perfect defense there would be 0 shots on net. Fact is Leafs allowed only 23 shots and Andersen gave up 4 (on the first 17 mind you).  The chances the Sens scored on weren't exactly 10 bell chances either. He's gotta stop at least 3 of those 4

I don't agree on what you think a good scoring chance is. So 2 breakaways and a Chabot walking in putting in his own rebound aren't 10 bell chances? I'll give you he didn't look great but those 3 are 10 bellers all day and were created by a defensive lapse of the team.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I mean any shot on goal any team allows you can call a "defensive breakdown".

Not at all. If the team can force shots from the outside and low danger areas, that's perfectly acceptable. Letting a guy walk around you like Oz did, well, that's one that's hard to blame the goalie on. Like OldTime said, there's two of those goals that Freddie would probably like to have back, and those happen some nights.

I'm less bothered by the goaltending than far too much play in the leafs' end. That should be the bigger concern of the team. 

 

[Zee]

Even when Oz got walked, the shot wasn't dangerous, it went right under Andersen's arm. That's a shot that has to be stopped. 3 of 4 goals were on Freddie. At what point do you expect him to make a save?

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Even when Oz got walked, the shot wasn't dangerous, it went right under Andersen's arm. That's a shot that has to be stopped. 3 of 4 goals were on Freddie. At what point do you expect him to make a save?

Heh, sometimes shots find holes, and it has nothing to do with how the goalie played the situation. Allowing high-danger chances increases that possibility.

If, say Matthews had scored the same way on Anderson, we'd all be going nuts about how awesome Matthews is, not how Anderson botched it.

 

[Zee]

Even when Oz got walked, the shot wasn't dangerous, it went right under Andersen's arm. That's a shot that has to be stopped. 3 of 4 goals were on Freddie. At what point do you expect him to make a save?

Heh, sometimes shots find holes, and it has nothing to do with how the goalie played the situation. Allowing high-danger chances increases that possibility.

If, say Matthews had scored the same way on Anderson, we'd all be going nuts about how awesome Matthews is, not how Anderson botched it.

Yeah one bad goal on Craig Anderson, 3 bad goals on Freddie, Leafs win this game if the goalies were switched

 

[Bender]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

This was somewhat similar to last season iirc...

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[OldTimeHockey]

I didn't watch the game but did watch the 6 minute replay. I'd say that goaltending can only been looked at on two of those goals, with only one of those two not involving a defensive breakdown.

It's early in the season but the trend of coughing up the puck repeatedly in their own zone needs to be stopped as soon as possible.

Yep, agreed. I think the problem seems to be that fans are so used to Andersen bailing the D out of bad decisions, that when he doesn't do it, it's his fault.

I still maintain that this D group is being tasked with plays that it doesn't have the talent to execute. None of them are especially big and strong, so they can't break up the cycle, and their constantly getting on the wrong side of body position, so when they do finally get a chance to transition it, they're gassed. None of them are particularly fast, save Reilly. And none of them have much vision in terms of possession type decisions in their own end save Gardiner, and he occasionally has his off nights as well.

I'd like to see them acknowledge this, and return to a simpler getting the puck out of the zone as quickly as possible rather than trying to make elite plays as a group. Once the opposition has the puck in the Leafs' end, they're having a hell of a time trying to get it back.

I mean any shot on goal any team allows you can call a "defensive breakdown". If teams played perfect defense there would be 0 shots on net. Fact is Leafs allowed only 23 shots and Andersen gave up 4 (on the first 17 mind you).  The chances the Sens scored on weren't exactly 10 bell chances either. He's gotta stop at least 3 of those 4

There's a difference between an offensive play that beats the defensive team, and a defensive team breaking down. Perhaps I'm bias because I played 30 years as a goalie but some fault has to be laid at the feet of the team in front of the goalie. I just watched the game in 6 again to review the 4 goals on Andersen. Here's what I see:

Goal One - Andersen has to have this one. A long shot going 5 hole is usually can be blamed on the goalie unless there's a deflection

Goal Two - Gardiner got lost in the corner, Ennis attacked instead of playing "stick on puck", Matthews decided to be a goalie and Chabot made the Leafs look silly.

Goal Three - Give away by Brown at the opposing team's blueline, but Andersen should of had this one. He got off angle and was moving when the shot was taken. It usually leads to soft goals like the one we saw.

Goal Four - Chabot made the new russian kid look silly. He played Chabot soft and there is absolutely zero reason that there shouldn't of been body contact on that play. IF Andersen is on the top of his game, he probably bails the defense out.

Now, we can say that if the other Anderson was in the Leaf's net, the Leafs win that game. But that's neither here nor there. If we had a defensemen stand up the player on the fourth goal, or two forwards not get puck watching on the first goal, we probably win this game too.

Andersen was certainly average but my argument is it can't be laid solely at the feet of the goalie. Sure he has to be better but so does the entire team defensively.