Steal of the 2015 Draft?

[GhostofPotvin29]

It does go into some possible reasons(I can't make lists on here):

In fact, Timashov?s fall at the draft was an almost textbook example of how a young player?s potential can get lost in the shadows. Let?s count the ways in which the full information about Timashov got lost, broken or blurred:

He was born October 1st, two weeks too young to be drafted with Nylander and the 2014 group. For scouts seeing him just this year in the Q, he would look like a ?relatively old? pick for 2015.

His junior career got broken across two continents. Two different sets of scouts saw him, and in different years. So, inevitably, some information gets lost, and some fails to translate.

The Russian factor. People hear the name and think ?Russian,? and that overrides the fact that he?s a Swedish citizen and has a Ukrainian Mum.

In Sweden, he was a Ukrainian-Russian immigrant, which reduced his chances to be named to national teams for international experience.

He looks short, and is short, except that he?s now 192 pounds ? not that small for age 18. If you knew the wrestler?s son background, you might expect him to fill out further. Nonetheless, a lot of teams will filter him out as ?5-10.?

He played in the Q, and if you hear about a kid who?s small, older, racks up a lot of assists, and is in the Q? well, there are preconceptions, right? Like, that he?s also soft, a powerplay specialist, etc.

 

[Kin]

you have to assume that everyone got a pretty good look at him and there are some pretty smart teams in this league that didn't think he was worth a 4th round pick.

And to expand on this a little, that includes the Leafs.

 

[Frank E]

I remember when some people were pretty pumped about Didomenico, and Flaake, and _________ (add in your favourite draft steal).

None of those were ever really on the basis of their draft year production being like this situation though.

I have trouble putting a lot of faith in a guy that fell to the bottom of the draft with or without impressive 18 year old stats in the Q.

I'm not putting a stamp on the guy, I'm just saying that pretty much every year we "steal" a guy at the draft.  I hope he turns out to be great, but at this point he's being compared to guys that have zero NHL games under their collective belts.

 

[Highlander]

Frank, why don't you believe in Santa ?

 

[Stickytape]

I look forward to casting Man of the Match votes for Nitro Mysterion.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

you have to assume that everyone got a pretty good look at him and there are some pretty smart teams in this league that didn't think he was worth a 4th round pick.

And to expand on this a little, that includes the Leafs.

Very true.  Mind you, there were some pretty smart teams that didn't think Henrik Zetterberg was worth even a 6th round pick.  And that includes the Red Wings.

So that's pretty much what you get in the 4th round or later;  usually nobody of significance, and rarely a true player.  And pretty much always a player who's been passed over by every team more than once.  Hopefully Timashov doesn't end up a nobody.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I enjoyed it, all the bells and whistles aside, I enjoyed it as an optimistic in depth look at a potentially better than average prospect.

 

[Tigger]

Did anyone fall farther than Korostolev? I honestly don't know but he's also a late round Leaf pick ( 185, Timoshev went 125 IIRC ) that could be something.

 

[Kin]

you have to assume that everyone got a pretty good look at him and there are some pretty smart teams in this league that didn't think he was worth a 4th round pick.

And to expand on this a little, that includes the Leafs.

Very true.  Mind you, there were some pretty smart teams that didn't think Henrik Zetterberg was worth even a 6th round pick.  And that includes the Red Wings.

True. But that's why I said what I did about Dzierkals. I'm a little more receptive to the idea that a really good player fell because they were in Latvia or the Swedish second division or Yakterinburg Spartak than I am a CHL player fell because of size when players his size and smaller got drafted well ahead of him.

If you look at the last 15 years or so there are some very good players drafted in the fifth round and later but the ones who were CHLers are a little fewer and farther between. Those guys are getting scouted by every team in the league.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think that we can all agree that this was a terrible headline choice by Potvin!

 

[Frank E]

I think that we can all agree that this was a terrible headline choice by Potvin!

So terrible.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Can anyone name a player drafted out of the CHL in a similar late round like Timashov with similar PPG (1.36 PPG)?  Has to be their draft eligible season too, none of this went through the draft once and increased numbers when they got older stuff.

I'm sure they exist I just don't know how to go about looking it up.

 

[Joe S.]

 

[Frank E]

Can anyone name a player drafted out of the CHL in a similar late round like Timashov with similar PPG (1.36 PPG)?  Has to be their draft eligible season too, none of this went through the draft once and increased numbers when they got older stuff.

I'm sure they exist I just don't know how to go about looking it up.

Hey hobarth, do you own research for your bad thread.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Can anyone name a player drafted out of the CHL in a similar late round like Timashov with similar PPG (1.36 PPG)?  Has to be their draft eligible season too, none of this went through the draft once and increased numbers when they got older stuff.

I'm sure they exist I just don't know how to go about looking it up.

Hey hobarth, do you own research for your bad thread.

As I tried to make clear, I tried to look it up and didn't get anywhere.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Can anyone name a player drafted out of the CHL in a similar late round like Timashov with similar PPG (1.36 PPG)?  Has to be their draft eligible season too, none of this went through the draft once and increased numbers when they got older stuff.

I'm sure they exist I just don't know how to go about looking it up.

I think the only way to do it would be to use eliteprospects.com's stats page. From there you can filter through seasons in the Q and look at player stats for guys U19 guys and sort through PPG. Then of course you need to double check their age/experience to make sure it's their first draft eligible year.

I did find one other guy from the 2015 draft that I think fits: Anthony Richard. Had 91 points in 66 games. Drafted 25 spots ahead of Timashov in the 4th round. Richard is smaller though, listed at 5'9", 165 lbs. He also had 2 years of experience in the Q before his draft season.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Can anyone name a player drafted out of the CHL in a similar late round like Timashov with similar PPG (1.36 PPG)?  Has to be their draft eligible season too, none of this went through the draft once and increased numbers when they got older stuff.

I'm sure they exist I just don't know how to go about looking it up.

I think the only way to do it would be to use eliteprospects.com's stats page. From there you can filter through seasons in the Q and look at player stats for guys U19 guys and sort through PPG. Then of course you need to double check their age/experience to make sure it's their first draft eligible year.

I did find one other guy from the 2015 draft that I think fits: Anthony Richard. Had 91 points in 66 games. Drafted 25 spots ahead of Timashov in the 4th round. Richard is smaller though, listed at 5'9", 165 lbs. He also had 2 years of experience in the Q before his draft season.

Yeah and I think the article had a little chart as well showing how Timashov's age-adjusted ES PPG ranked among players drafted in recent seasons from the Q and closest comparable is probably Conor Garland who was picked 2 spots before Timashov.  He had a higher overall PPG, though evidently not a higher ES PPG.