Tank Nation UNITE!!!

[Bill_Berg]

Ugh, I think that we really have to get 4th. Arizona probably loves Strome for all the same reasons I do, and I can't see them picking Marner over him especially after selecting a similar player in Domi last year.

Don't forget the possibility of a team behind the Leafs winning the lottery and moving Toronto and everybody else back a pick.  We need 3rd, dammit!  The tank needs more fuel!

Lots of season left, and we're on the right path. That looming win streak took a hit on Sunday, and there are more hits coming!

 

[L K]

Ugh, I think that we really have to get 4th. Arizona probably loves Strome for all the same reasons I do, and I can't see them picking Marner over him especially after selecting a similar player in Domi last year.

The only thing I would say is they in theory could have their line of the future with Christian Dvorak - Mitch Marner - Max Domi if they really wanted to try and All-Knights line.  They are playing together in the OHL right now. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The only thing I would say is they in theory could have their line of the future with Christian Dvorak - Mitch Marner - Max Domi if they really wanted to try and All-Knights line.  They are playing together in the OHL right now. 

Wow I actually completely forgot about the Domi-Marner connection (and didn't realize they had their 3rd linemate too). That could definitely work in our favour then.

 

[sickbeast]

At what position is domi projected to draft at?

 

[Kin]

At what position is domi projected to draft at?

Domi was drafted last year by Arizona.

 

[sickbeast]

 

[brothert]

I would like to say that the leafs used this strategy once before in picking the linemate of eric lindros on oshawa.  Rob Pearson played 2 season for us before being shipped off to washington.  I don't think its a great strategy.  you only get a 1/3 chance of picking the right guy and most people said that guy was lindros.

 

[Chris]

Rob Pearson <shudder>. Leafs had 3 first round picks that year...Scott Thornton (#3), Pearson (#12), Steve Bancroft (#21). What a haul. Still available at #21 - Adam Foote, Nik Lidstrom, Federov, Bure...good memories!

 

[Joe S.]

Rob Pearson <shudder>. Leafs had 3 first round picks that year...Scott Thornton (#3), Pearson (#12), Steve Bancroft (#21). What a haul. Still available at #21 - Adam Foote, Nik Lidstrom, Federov, Bure...good memories!

2nd round, 4th round, 3d round and 6th round respectively, so not exactly all leafs misses.

Actually looking back at that first round, there were quite a few duds.

 

[rdowdall]

Rob Pearson <shudder>. Leafs had 3 first round picks that year...Scott Thornton (#3), Pearson (#12), Steve Bancroft (#21). What a haul. Still available at #21 - Adam Foote, Nik Lidstrom, Federov, Bure...good memories!

2nd round, 4th round, 3d round and 6th round respectively, so not exactly all leafs misses.

Actually looking back at that first round, there were quite a few duds.

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

 

[Britishbulldog]

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I am with Potvin29's article he showed where just drafting the highest scoring players available will basically be the best choice.  Once in a while it flops and once in a while a player off the chart turns out great but those are so infrequent that a team should not even consider it. 

 

[skrackle]

Rob Pearson <shudder>. Leafs had 3 first round picks that year...Scott Thornton (#3), Pearson (#12), Steve Bancroft (#21). What a haul. Still available at #21 - Adam Foote, Nik Lidstrom, Federov, Bure...good memories!

2nd round, 4th round, 3d round and 6th round respectively, so not exactly all leafs misses.

Actually looking back at that first round, there were quite a few duds.

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I certainly hope that Shanahan's restructuring of the Leafs office will result in improvements with drafting and development.

If the Leafs are really embracing a rebuild, they'll need to step up their game in these areas. They've gone from pretty much nothing in the pipeline to maybe a couple of promising prospects. That needs to be ramped way up over the next few years.

I really don't know if modern day analytics has eliminated the possibility of drafting first (or any) round duds. I'd guess it hasn't, as it's still human beings that we are talking about. However, the Leafs should be able to improve their track record in this area if they make it the priority that it needs to be.

 

[Chris]

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I am with Potvin29's article he showed where just drafting the highest scoring players available will basically be the best choice.  Once in a while it flops and once in a while a player off the chart turns out great but those are so infrequent that a team should not even consider it.

Where is this posted (or is there a link)? Don't remember seeing it. This is something I was wondering about the other day.

 

[Joe S.]

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I am with Potvin29's article he showed where just drafting the highest scoring players available will basically be the best choice.  Once in a while it flops and once in a while a player off the chart turns out great but those are so infrequent that a team should not even consider it.

Where is this posted (or is there a link)? Don't remember seeing it. This is something I was wondering about the other day.

This kind of brings up a question that's always been in the back of my mind - what was it that Sundin did to make him go first overall back in 89? I know nothing of his days before the Nords, to be honest, except I've read about that playoff series where he scored the 7 goals in 8 games - but there's such limited numbers on Sundin - how did they know?

BTW - completely off topic - but I just did a sort on the 89 draft, and he is the highest scorer of that draft year, Federov and Lidstrom were 2 and 3. You know who was 7th? Reichel.

Actually - 10th - Donald Audette. Who was drafted in the 9th round.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

The FIFA series keeps getting better & better - I really noticed how they were both going in different directions in '09 and quit the NHL series altogether.

You are correct.

I thought up until the next gen evolution though they where pretty playable.

The version they released this year on next gen is absolutely disgraceful, it's missing everything that made it a decent game.

I've played this iteration about 90% less than all others.

 

[Madferret]

The FIFA series keeps getting better & better - I really noticed how they were both going in different directions in '09 and quit the NHL series altogether.

You are correct.

I thought up until the next gen evolution though they where pretty playable.

The version they released this year on next gen is absolutely disgraceful, it's missing everything that made it a decent game.

I've played this iteration about 90% less than all others.

Still a FIFA baller?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Always.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Canes beating the Sens is good.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Arizona didn't register a shot in the 2nd period and are being outshot 28-6 in the 3rd of their game.  Taking this tank seriously.

 

[Britishbulldog]

So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I am with Potvin29's article he showed where just drafting the highest scoring players available will basically be the best choice.  Once in a while it flops and once in a while a player off the chart turns out great but those are so infrequent that a team should not even consider it.

Where is this posted (or is there a link)? Don't remember seeing it. This is something I was wondering about the other day.

http://thehockeywriters.com/the-nhl-has-a-scouting-problem/

Using Pearson?s r correlation we found that the NHL?s Central Scouting Staff rankings compared to those players? NHL games played only had a correlation of -0.19 (or ?No or negligible relationship?).  When using very simple metrics such as a prospect?s draft-year points/game, the correlation with NHL games played is much higher, at 0.41 (or ?Strong positive relationship?).

This is absolutely mind blowing

I found it interesting where the Leafs have sometimes simply drafted for the size of a player thinking that size can't be taught.

Hopefully those days are over.