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The Brian Burke Thread

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bustaheims said:
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree here, because, I think, philosophically, we're pretty much diametrically opposed.
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Well, ok, but it doesn't mean I'm going to give up on trying to convince you that the Maple Leafs winning is important. I know, I know, the glitter of the gold is but a worthless wash and all that.
 
Milbury's take, why he thought the Leafs would make a trade, something like ...'trying to give their team some confidence by going out and showing that we can make this, here's a piece to the puzzle just to make you believe it'...
 
Saint Nik said:
bustaheims said:
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree here, because, I think, philosophically, we're pretty much diametrically opposed.
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Well, ok, but it doesn't mean I'm going to give up on trying to convince you that the Maple Leafs winning is important. I know, I know, the glitter of the gold is but a worthless wash and all that.
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To be honest I think your time would be much better spent becoming a best-selling author. That`d probably be a better investment than the lottery ticket!
 
Saint Nik said:
bustaheims said:
It's not just rare. Trading into the top 5 just doesn't happen unless you have a player one of those teams really really wants or you have a top 10 pick yourself.
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That strikes me as a bit of a dodge because then you can just say that any case of it happening was a case of a team really wanting a particular player. Burke traded a future #1 and Bryan McCabe to Chicago to move into the top 5 in the Sedin draft and Chicago dealt McCabe the next year.
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How Burke pulled off the Sedin Heist

1. The wheeling and dealing began when Vancouver sent defenseman Bryan McCabe and a 2000 first-round pick to the Chicago Blackhawks (which became Pavel Vorobiev, who did next to nothing) for the fourth overall pick (which landed with the Rangers and became Brendl)

2. Brian Burke then sent the No. 4 selection and a pair of third-round picks to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the top overall pick.

3. Next, Vancouver sent the top pick to the expansion Atlanta Thrashers for the No. 2 selection and a conditional 2000 third-rounder. The deal was that the Thrashers would take Stefan, leaving the Canucks to take the Sedins in sequential order.

Burke/Hartford also traded traded its #6 pick, its second round pick and Sergei Makarov for San Jose's #2 pick to get Chris Pronger.

We have the GM that traded up to get top 5 picks more than once. Where there is a will, there is a way.
 
Bender said:
To be honest I think your time would be much better spent becoming a best-selling author. That`d probably be a better investment than the lottery ticket!
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Don't worry. I fully intend on becoming my generation's John Kennedy Toole.
 
Saint Nik said:
Bender said:
To be honest I think your time would be much better spent becoming a best-selling author. That`d probably be a better investment than the lottery ticket!
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Don't worry. I fully intend on becoming my generation's John Kennedy Toole.
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Are you insinuating that the Leafs' fanbase is a confederacy of dunces?
 
Saint Nik said:
Bender said:
To be honest I think your time would be much better spent becoming a best-selling author. That`d probably be a better investment than the lottery ticket!
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Don't worry. I fully intend on becoming my generation's John Kennedy Toole.
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Jeez, I hope it goes better for you than that.
 
Tigger said:
Well, except where Tavares is concerned... ;)
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As I previously said, first overall is probably a pipe dream. And even top 5 is very tough/very uncommon.

It naturally also depends on the draft and what the team's scouts think about a given prospect. etc.

But it has been done before and can still be done.

Now if they blow their brains out to get Patrik Stefan or Alexandre Daigle, they're back to the drawing board. But I'd think it's fair to presume more often than not, they'd do considerably better than that if they were going to make such a deal because it would be done under significant scrutiny before they pulled the trigger.
 
What does everyone think about Burke potentially introducing 7 day roster freeze prior to trade deadline?

Delusions of grandeur? I think he is totally losing it if he wants to hamper his team like that.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
What does everyone think about Burke potentially introducing 7 day roster freeze prior to trade deadline?

Delusions of grandeur? I think he is totally losing it if he wants to hamper his team like that.
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I don't think it will ever happen, even he said that if he got a trade that he couldn't refuse it would be hard to follow that. But I think it just shows you that he cares about his players, I love that about Burke and I think his players do also. Schenn was talking a lot about how much Burke is respected. I think a few of the other players were talking about things like this also.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
What does everyone think about Burke potentially introducing 7 day roster freeze prior to trade deadline?

Delusions of grandeur? I think he is totally losing it if he wants to hamper his team like that.
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I think it's wishful thinking on Burke's part.

There were only five teams (sellers) more than six points out of a playoff spot yesterday. If Burke rolls it back with a freeze weeks before the deadline, there probably would be even fewer sellers.

Part of the problem for Burke is self inflicted. He loves to wheel and deal. His players know that too well.

I do agree with Burke that in this media market, with Burke's addiction for making deals, that it compromises a team's ability to perform at their best and probably contributed to their slump.
 
I know Burke was trying to give his team a pep talk, but when were the Leafs the best team in the East?  A legitimate playoff team, absolutely, but I can't think of a stretch where they were dominating the elite teams of the league. 
 
The big problem I have with this pre-deadline freeze is that 7-10 days is a lot of time for players on other teams (or your own) to be injured. This means that you might get an offer that's too good to pass up out of desperation or you may yourself need a key piece.

I'm starting to really dislike Burke. He sure talks big and backs it up with mediocrity.His shtick is starting to get tiresome.
 
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