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The Last Jedi (spoilers!)

I loved Star Wars/Empire/Return of the Jedi.

I tolerated The Phantom Menace.

I despised Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

I was meh about The Force Awakens.

and I liked The Last Jedi......right up until they killed off Luke.

I'm done.
 
Saw the first three Star Wars movies back in the day, which will always be the favourites.  They had just the right amount of character development, emotional pull, and sentiment, coupled with all that great action.  The Empire Strikes Back was Lucas' only caveat with director Irvin Kershner's interpretation of the movie -- Cloud City looked too clean and the lack of grittiness in the surroundings of the movie in general.  That being said, it was still very much enjoyable.

I also saw Phantam Menace in which it was reported that Lucas regretted the all too laughable (and silly) character of Jar Jar Binks.  Something about the making of this movie seemed off-key.

Attack of the Clones was actually well done in terms of showcasing Anakin's development vs Ben Kenobi's and the whole Jedi thing.  We could begin to see (at times) a vulnerable, prone to extreme emotion and impatience,  & adangerously 'irresponsible' Anakin Skywalker.  I liked watching the Anakin vs Kenobi differences/disagreements & defiances.

Revenge of the Sith with that battle between now evil and warped Anakin against Obiwan Kenobi, with the volcanic-spewing backdrop, was epic.  Later, left for dead but rescued by the Emperor, it show how Anakin becomes Vader in full armour.  That scene of him in full Vader regalia, a tortured soul still, even though he's firmly on the dark side, asking of Padme (his wife) and being in disbelief when the Emperor says he (Anakin) killed her and so on.  It shows a glimpse, an oh-so-fine glimpse of what he once held dear...

I have not seen The Force Awakens and this latest installment in The Last Jedi.

Well, things change, people change, but the one thing that will always remain is..."May the Force Be with You".

Long live Star Wars!
 
TML fan said:
I'm not exactly sure what new path they were trying to strike out on, nor why blazing a new trail necessitated tearing down everything built before it.

I get that they want to move on from the OT characters but they didn't have to murder Luke the way they did. How you go from having so much hope and optimism that you think you can turn Darth Vader to basically just giving up because some kid had bad thoughts is just asinine.
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I think the point with Kylo Ren was that in Vader he could see that there was still good in him, and with Kylo Ren, he couldn't, there was nothing there, and his first reaction to that was that he should kill it, and that reaction scared him because he essentially made a mistake that resulted in the loss of countless lives, and the loss of his nephew, and he just couldn't deal with that.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
TML fan said:
I'm not exactly sure what new path they were trying to strike out on, nor why blazing a new trail necessitated tearing down everything built before it.

I get that they want to move on from the OT characters but they didn't have to murder Luke the way they did. How you go from having so much hope and optimism that you think you can turn Darth Vader to basically just giving up because some kid had bad thoughts is just asinine.
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I think the point with Kylo Ren was that in Vader he could see that there was still good in him, and with Kylo Ren, he couldn't, there was nothing there, and his first reaction to that was that he should kill it, and that reaction scared him because he essentially made a mistake that resulted in the loss of countless lives, and the loss of his nephew, and he just couldn't deal with that.
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Doesn't the notion that Kylo Ren hesitates every single time he faces one of his family members fly in the face of Ren being completely devoid of good?  He stalled killing Han.  He avoiding blowing up Leia.  That's pretty much a pretty sound argument that he's a conflicted character.  It does seem odd that Luke would be blind enough to not see some of that, especially given that Vader gave him less reason to believer there was "good in him" earlier in his life.
 
L K said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
TML fan said:
I'm not exactly sure what new path they were trying to strike out on, nor why blazing a new trail necessitated tearing down everything built before it.

I get that they want to move on from the OT characters but they didn't have to murder Luke the way they did. How you go from having so much hope and optimism that you think you can turn Darth Vader to basically just giving up because some kid had bad thoughts is just asinine.
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I think the point with Kylo Ren was that in Vader he could see that there was still good in him, and with Kylo Ren, he couldn't, there was nothing there, and his first reaction to that was that he should kill it, and that reaction scared him because he essentially made a mistake that resulted in the loss of countless lives, and the loss of his nephew, and he just couldn't deal with that.
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Doesn't the notion that Kylo Ren hesitates every single time he faces one of his family members fly in the face of Ren being completely devoid of good?  He stalled killing Han.  He avoiding blowing up Leia.  That's pretty much a pretty sound argument that he's a conflicted character.  It does seem odd that Luke would be blind enough to not see some of that, especially given that Vader gave him less reason to believer there was "good in him" earlier in his life.
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Maybe, but Vader's drive was to save the love of his life.  What he did, he did because he thought he was going to save Padme.  Kylo is doing what he is doing to become known as better than Vader, to succeed where he failed.

Also, Snoke may have been masking some of what Luke was seeing.  The 4,5,6 installments of Star Wars are a redemption tale, and I think they are trying to break from that.  To me it looks like they are trying to build Ren up as someone who can't be saved, which is that even though he hesitates, ultimately he wants to be evil.
 
I think they made it clear that Ben Solo turned because of what Luke did and not solely because of some quest to be more powerful than Darth Vader.
 
TML fan said:
I think they made it clear that Ben Solo turned because of what Luke did and not solely because of some quest to be more powerful than Darth Vader.
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Snoke had already twisted Ben Solo by the time Luke had decided to do something about it.  Luke's regret was that his reaction to how far Ben had sunk pushed him further away.  Snoke used Ben's desire to be better than Vader to turn him.
 
I honestly don't remember Snoke's involvement in that. I'll have to see the movie again.

And that still doesn't explain Luke's reaction. He won't kill his father who already IS evil, but he will kill his nephew who isn't but wants to be?
 
TML fan said:
I honestly don't remember Snoke's involvement in that. I'll have to see the movie again.

And that still doesn't explain Luke's reaction. He won't kill his father who already IS evil, but he will kill his nephew who isn't but wants to be?
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You shouldn't go see a movie that you don't like again:

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-kylo-ren-dark-side-luke-skywalker/

I do find it interesting that this movie is very divisive.  I talked to a huge Star Wars fan last night who absolutely hated the movie.  I consider myself a fan of Star Wars ( since I was 5 ) and I liked the movie.  Although I am not much of a critic on movies, and I just go to see them.  As long as I don't feel like I wasted my two hours or whatever, I am generally happy. 
 
What a mess of a movie.  Not a fanboy by any means, but I did grow up with Star Wars, and I hated the prequels when they came out, but this one is by far the worst.. i never thought it could ever get that bad considering the rich universe and potential to draw from...it's basically an unf_ckupable franchise, which this one guy has singlehandedly messed up over 30 years of lore in one shot. 
Just lazy writing and directing to go along with all that's fundamentally wrong.  I know one needs to do a bit of belief suspension...but seriously?  Bombs can drop in space?  Half the plot was pointless.  The entire might of the empire and strength of the rebels could be captured in one shot.  dubious military tactics.  Dumb jokes.  Princess Leia does a Mary Poppins. 
Old Star Wars had a Grand Moff Tarkin....badass...replaced by an imbecile called Hux.  Darth Vader? Badass....now we got a whiney emo kid that flip flops all over the place.  Chewbacca, the badass warrior's only scene was guilt over eating some bbq'd meat? 
 
https://twitter.com/living_marble/status/1004033328637345792

This is my favourite take on the total poop emoji show the barstool segment of Star Wars fandom has made of it lately.
 
So I finally got to see this. Maybe it's a sign of my growing disillusionment with the slick, superficially well made, candy coated pandering blockbusters we're getting or maybe it's just growing increasingly cantankerous in general but I didn't see a reason to get fussed over this movie for good or bad.

It's ok. There are some neat moments and some stupid ones. It was a DisneyCo Entertainment & Branding Product through and through.
 
Nik the Trik said:
So I finally got to see this. Maybe it's a sign of my growing disillusionment with the slick, superficially well made, candy coated pandering blockbusters we're getting or maybe it's just growing increasingly cantankerous in general but I didn't see a reason to get fussed over this movie for good or bad.

It's ok. There are some neat moments and some stupid ones. It was a DisneyCo Entertainment & Branding Product through and through.
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Or maybe it?s just a movie and we should enjoy it for what it is and move on. If I ever feel the need to create a 20 minute you tube video about a movie and how it destroyed my childhood, please feel free to punch me i the face because I obviously have no better ways to spend my time.
 
TimKerr said:
Or maybe it?s just a movie and we should enjoy it for what it is and move on. If I ever feel the need to create a 20 minute you tube video about a movie and how it destroyed my childhood, please feel free to punch me i the face because I obviously have no better ways to spend my time.
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I'm with you to some extent. Obviously harassing actors or just that sort of whining in general strikes me as at best the product of spoiled manbabies and at worst as some really ugly sexism/racism from white guys who have trouble living in a world where not everything is pandering to them and their fantasies. They're movies and they're primarily movies for kids. Liking them is fine but getting worked up about them strikes me as ridiculous.

But as someone with 20K+ posts on a Leafs message board I have to be judicious with the type of stones I throw from this glass house on time-wasting.
 
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But as someone with 20K+ posts on a Leafs message board I have to be judicious with the type of stones I throw from this glass house on time-wasting.
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Well it beats working.
 
https://twitter.com/josh_scully/status/1003996810749173762

I didn?t think it needed fixing, but now I want this.
 
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