The Leafs Management vs NHL

[MetalRaven]

The way the power structure has been described as of late has me a little less enthused about the team's direction post-Lamoriello's hiring.

But I think some of it is posturing.

I don't even care if it is posturing...its the BEST posturing.
Im currently buying all the kool-aid...ill take it all...it tastes delicious. They're saying all the right things as far as im concerned. I have more confidence in the management structure now then I ever did. If they work as well as they speak, I think we should have a contender soon and maybe even a cup before I die, assuming im not taken out by a random bus.

What are your concerns regarding the direction of the team if I may ask?

 

[Kin]

What are your concerns regarding the direction of the team if I may ask?

They're not really concerns, I was just more excited by the idea of a Dubas-Hunter-Shanahan triumvirate making the decisions than I am with a team that's genuinely being managed by Lou Lamoriello.

 

[herman]

What are your concerns regarding the direction of the team if I may ask?

They're not really concerns, I was just more excited by the idea of a Dubas-Hunter-Shanahan triumvirate making the decisions than I am with a team that's genuinely being managed by Lou Lamoriello.

I would agree with this.

One of the other questions prompted an answer from Lou about how much he admired Hunter, and Babcock insinuated that they were planning on getting him to run the 2016 draft too, so there's that.

Babcock: Hopefully the future with those kids is bright. In that way, we?re going to have to continue with Mark Hunter and the way we?re set up for the draft to stockpile kids.

[...]

Lamoriello: That was one of the things that was really attractive to me coming here ? Mark Hunter. In my opinion, he?s one of the best, if not the best. In order to get good players you have to have somebody who has a good eye and what he?s done with the scouting staff. He?s done that, and we can see that just with the prospects here today and where they were yesterday.

Shanahan also noted that when people started asking him about advanced stats and his position on it when he was first hired, he consulted two people: Dubas and Lamoriello. He ended up hiring both of them.

When I first got hired and somebody started talking to me about analytics and data and things like that, ironically what a lot of people don?t know is I sort of went to two different people and asked them what it meant. One was Kyle Dubas and that meeting was set up through David Branch. One of them, ironically ? and it?s a bit of a secret but I?ll tell it now ? was Lou Lamoriello. Lou is sneaky smart and sneaky nimble when it comes to information. He is a baseball man as well.

 

[MetalRaven]

What are your concerns regarding the direction of the team if I may ask?

They're not really concerns, I was just more excited by the idea of a Dubas-Hunter-Shanahan triumvirate making the decisions than I am with a team that's genuinely being managed by Lou Lamoriello.

Thats fair.

I'll admit im not overly familiar with many Devils trades. Im hoping the triumvirate are still in charge of finding talent and who to trade for.  Lou would be in charge of making the trade as one sided in our direction as possible. Same with contract negotiations. Lou brings experience in those two departments that the three lack on an NHL level. Im probably dreaming in technicolour but thats what im hoping for anyway, Lou to squeeze every drop of value from trades.

 

[Leaflifer]

Just to add some contrast, this is a team that was once run by Harold Ballard.

 

[Redleaf]

Just to add some contrast, this is a team that was once run by Harold Ballard.

Very well contrasted.

 

[Kin]

Just to add some contrast, this is a team that was once run by Harold Ballard.

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

 

[Highlander]

Ballard's stench on this franchise seems to be finally washing away with having a group of managers who appreciated talent rather than country of origin (are you listening Don?).  Russians, Americans, Swedes, etc.
Remember when Harold was so short sighted that a Russian would never play for the Leafs?? 

 

[Kin]

How is that in anyway different from the Quinn years? Remember? With our Swedish captain and Russian sniper and #1 defenseman and Kaberle and Berezin and....

Seriously, that was 15 years ago.

 

[ZBBM]

What are your concerns regarding the direction of the team if I may ask?

They're not really concerns, I was just more excited by the idea of a Dubas-Hunter-Shanahan triumvirate making the decisions than I am with a team that's genuinely being managed by Lou Lamoriello.

A Lou Lamoriello whose track record as GM has, for some years now, been suspect at best, I might add.

 

[Highlander]

Lou will not make any moves without approval by the rest. I just can't see him having complete autonomy.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules ? such as the clean-cut appearance of players ? though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side ? Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan ? are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.

If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules ? such as the clean-cut appearance of players ? though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side ? Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan ? are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.

If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

Maybe they think Dubas is a little too forthright when speaking, which is precisely why it's been nice to hear him talk about his philosophy on the game.

Perhaps he'll still talk Marlies specifics given he is officially their GM.

 

[herman]

An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules ? such as the clean-cut appearance of players ? though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side ? Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan ? are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.

If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

Maybe they think Dubas is a little too forthright when speaking, which is precisely why it's been nice to hear him talk about his philosophy on the game.

Perhaps he'll still talk Marlies specifics given he is officially their GM.

Sounds like Dubas is also being given the patient development treatment with a veteran on a short-term contract in front of him.

 

[L K]

An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules ? such as the clean-cut appearance of players ? though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side ? Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan ? are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.

If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

 

[Kin]

If there's one thing that says quality, in touch management, it's hassling players about their facial hair.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

I'm still crossing my fingers that on the inside this team is still being run by what I guess we can call the triumvirate, but yeah on the outside it's starting to look a little more like Lou might have more power than I'd like. We still don't know for sure though. His short-term deal though to me still suggests that any long-term decisions will primarily be made by the other guys.

 

[L K]

If there's one thing that says quality, in touch management, it's hassling players about their facial hair.

 

[ZBBM]

That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

I'm still crossing my fingers that on the inside this team is still being run by what I guess we can call the triumvirate, but yeah on the outside it's starting to look a little more like Lou might have more power than I'd like. We still don't know for sure though. His short-term deal though to me still suggests that any long-term decisions will primarily be made by the other guys.

We've already walked this ground, but this was exactly why I said at the get-go that bringing in LouLam was a problem.  I don't care what the length of his contract is, he's not going to subordinate himself to Dubas/Hunter.  His personality, for one reason, as well as his overall track record as a veteran GM widely considered to be among the best (although, as I've said, his recent work is suspect).

I still think bringing him in didn't make a lick of sense.

 

[bustaheims]

A Lou Lamoriello whose track record as GM has, for some years now, been suspect at best, I might add.

Though, to be fair, that same Lou was severely hampered by a lack of financial strength, and running a team that played in front of a fairly empty arena. How much influence those factors had is debatable, sure, but they're not factors in Toronto.