The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[Bullfrog]

I would do Kulemin + Kadri for Carter without any hesitation. Not because I think its a steal either. i think its the price you pay to get a legit 1st line guy and avoid the risk of Kadri not panning out and Kulemin maybe or maybe not progressing beyond last year, but that will take at least another year to find out.

So would I, even though Kulemin is more of a complete player (more physical, better defensively?)

 

[leafplasma]

So soon do we give up on a young guy going through a bit of a rough spot offensively.  I agree that if Kulemin can translate into Carter you entertain it, however, Kulemin plus Kadri at this point is an overpayment.

 

[nutman]

I wouldnt do it and nor do i think Burke would. Kulemin is not a player you want to let go at the stage were at, i would think we have much better options to deal then one of our best two way players, and one of our toughest in the corners. some of you guys just want to do a deal just for the sake of doing a deal. at this point with all our injurys we are in a spot of weakness to do any deals. and one more thing, Kulemin and kadri for carter would be one way for Burke to look stupid, and I'm sure hes not so that kind of over payment wont happen any time soon.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Kind of like Kulemin Floyd?

Pretty much. In very broad strokes (and just my opinion) I'd say either guy gets you 50-60% of the way there.

I think Busta's got a point above, though the cap situation would have to be resolved somehow, still it's an intriguing situation if there's any truth to the notion that Carter wants out.

Still, I have to think if that were the case Columbus could find a deal that would force the Leafs to up the ante some or fold.

I'd do Schenn + Kulemin for Carter + a nice kicker.

I noticed that Anaheim is in 2nd last place in the West. 

If the fans are talking some top Leaf players being traded why not consider Anaheim trading Getzlaf who only has 12 points in 20 games?  No offense to Jeff Carter.

 

[maplesyrup]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

 

[Fanatic]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

If he was available I would offer a lot to get him - I think he is worth it.

 

[bustaheims]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

He's not, but, at the same time, while they're unlikely to do so, trading him could conceivably be part of the solution.

 

[nutman]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

He's not, but, at the same time, while they're unlikely to do so, trading him could conceivably be part of the solution.

I wonder if they will take our first.

 

[maplesyrup]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

He's not, but, at the same time, while they're unlikely to do so, trading him could conceivably be part of the solution.

Is there anyone in their system who could replace him>... Even in part? That coupled with the chemistry he's got with Perry just make it next to inconceivable to me. 

 

[bustaheims]

Is there anyone in their system who could replace him>... Even in part? That coupled with the chemistry he's got with Perry just make it next to inconceivable to me.

No, probably not, but, through trading him, they could potentially bring in some quality younger guys who could help fix some of the more pressing issues they have. It could, in theory, end up making them a better team, even if it weakens their top line.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

I guess I was thinking that Anaheim's weakness might be the age of their secondary scoring (Selanne and Koivu), the caliber of the defence, etc.

If the Leafs had some options to trade to address some of Anaheim's weaknesses then Anaheim might consider trading one key asset to address a few holes.

I obviously don't know but when I see names like Schenn, Kulemin, Kadri, Grabovski, etc bandied about I figured the Leafs (or fans) might want to get the top option possible.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

He's not, but, at the same time, while they're unlikely to do so, trading him could conceivably be part of the solution.

I was away for a few hours and couldn't reply right away but that is my point.  If Anaheim could flip Getzlaf into Grabovski, Kadri and MacArthur they might jump at it because it might help them more having 3 good players (2 centers) to replace 1 really good player. I know that the $1 being replaced by 4 quarters argument could be given but if all that Anaheim has for the bottom 3 line is dimes, nickels and pennies they could be interested.

I don't know if Getzlaf is viewed by some in the same light as Crosby and Ovechkin but personally I don't think that Getzlaf is as good a game breaker as Eric Staal.  He is exactly a perfect complement to Kessel though.

 

[Redleaf]

I can't see Anaheim dealing Getzlaf at all. He's not part of their problem there.

He's not, but, at the same time, while they're unlikely to do so, trading him could conceivably be part of the solution.

I was away for a few hours and couldn't reply right away but that is my point.  If Anaheim could flip Getzlaf into Grabovski, Kadri and MacArthur they might jump at it because it might help them more having 3 good players (2 centers) to replace 1 really good player. I know that the $1 being replaced by 4 quarters argument could be given but if all that Anaheim has for the bottom 3 line is dimes, nickels and pennies they could be interested.

I don't know if Getzlaf is viewed by some in the same light as Crosby and Ovechkin but personally I don't think that Getzlaf is as good a game breaker as Eric Staal.  He is exactly a perfect complement to Kessel though.

I think we already have our complimentary piece for Kessel in Lupul. If Getzlaf was somehow picked up via trade with Anaheim he would surely be on the second line in order to provide balanced scoring. Problem is who would be left on the roster to match his skill set for the 2nd line if Grabo, Kulemin or Mac were part of that trade? In other words a trade that bring Getz in probably takes away some important pieces. It would likely be a situation of moving one step ahead and 2 steps back in terms of overall depth of talent.

Im not saying I would be opposed to such a trade. I just think a substantial renovation to a team always has a possibility to make a team worse as it does to make it better.

 

[bustaheims]

I think we already have our complimentary piece for Kessel in Lupul. If Getzlaf was somehow picked up via trade with Anaheim he would surely be on the second line in order to provide balanced scoring.

I'm sorry, but, what? How does Lupul playing on the left side move Getzlaf down to centring the 2nd line? In what world does that make any sense?

 

[Redleaf]

I think we already have our complimentary piece for Kessel in Lupul. If Getzlaf was somehow picked up via trade with Anaheim he would surely be on the second line in order to provide balanced scoring.

I'm sorry, but, what? How does Lupul playing on the left side move Getzlaf down to centring the 2nd line? In what world does that make any sense?

So you think that 1st line needs to be upgraded? Fine. My point was, depending on who gets shipped out, the scoring needs to be balanced on the two top lines. I wouldn't touch the 1st if we had someone like Getzlaf, but in fact try and bolster that 2nd line.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think we already have our complimentary piece for Kessel in Lupul. If Getzlaf was somehow picked up via trade with Anaheim he would surely be on the second line in order to provide balanced scoring.

I'm sorry, but, what? How does Lupul playing on the left side move Getzlaf down to centring the 2nd line? In what world does that make any sense?

If you have Getzlaf (dreaming) yeah, of course you play him between those two on the PP but I get balancing out the scoring 5 on 5.

 

[Bender]

CAP?

 

[Corn Flake]

CAP?

SCHMAP.

 

[Kin]

If Anaheim could flip Getzlaf into Grabovski, Kadri and MacArthur they might jump at it because it might help them more having 3 good players (2 centers) to replace 1 really good player.

The question to ask here isn't whether or not Anaheim would consider trading Getzlaf but whether, if they were inclined to move him, if Grabo, Mac and Kadri is the best they could do if their intentions are to go for depth. I think it's just about a certainty that someone would offer more.

 

[bustaheims]

So you think that 1st line needs to be upgraded? Fine. My point was, depending on who gets shipped out, the scoring needs to be balanced on the two top lines. I wouldn't touch the 1st if we had someone like Getzlaf, but in fact try and bolster that 2nd line.

It's not about upgrading the first line, but, rather, actually maximizing the talent on the roster. If Leafs get Getzlaf, Connolly moves to the 2nd line. Getzlaf is going to provide more to the team playing with the Leafs' best scoring threat than he is trying to improve the output of 2nd liners.